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Author Topic:   There is an appalling lack of historical evidence backing the Bible's veracity
Straggler
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Message 219 of 306 (485026)
10-04-2008 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Creationist
10-04-2008 12:06 PM


Re: Wherever evidence has been found
What about you, do you approach all historical documents with the same attitude that you do the Bible?
Do you approach all other religious texts with the same attitude that you do the bible?
Of course there is no evidence that directly says that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago. Rather, that is an interpretation of the evidence.
A tested hypothesis verified by prediction and discovery.
We all start off with assumptions. You start off with the assumptions of naturalism. I start off with the assumption that the Bible is true. So with your line of logic, we are both gullible fools. You assume from the beginning that evolution is true. You base all your interpretation of the evidenc based on that assumption, and then you are skeptical of any evidence that may suggest otherwise. You and are alike
This is a common misapprehension. It is indeed very true of creationist thinking and I am glad that you can see and accept that. However the whole basis of science is the testing of conclusions such that those which are untrue are eradicated. Prediction and discovery are the gold standard of scientific verification. By these methods objectivity is maximised. The opportunity to simply decide what one subjectively wants to be true and to then seek supporting evidence and ignore opposing evidence is just not viable when combined with such methods. Predictions made from such theories will be quickly refuted.
Your AiG links cover various topics for all of which there are threads covered elsewhere on the EvC site. As far as I can see all are well refuted claims but you might want to pick your strongest one and start a new thread or carry on the discussion in an exiting one.
Absolutely, which is what we are dealing with when it comes to origins science or historical science. Anything that deals with the past where no one living today actually witnessed the event.
Science, historical or otherwise, is founded on the idea of hypotheses. Testing conclusions. Not just providing plausible, or even implausible, potential explanations but actually putting those "explanations" or theories to the test.
Prediction, verification and discovery.
Evolutionary theory has made numerous predictions and resulted in numerous discoveries.
Big Bang cosmology has made numerous predictions and resulted in numerous discoveries.
Creationism has never ever even once resulted in a single verifiable prediction or resulting discovery. Creationists do not test their conclusions. They just re-interpret the evidence discovered by the meathods of real science and redeply it to their own ideological ends.

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Straggler
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Message 221 of 306 (485035)
10-04-2008 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Creationist
10-04-2008 2:11 PM


Re: Some recent evidence of the Bible's
In other words, they are not the ultimate as the God in the Bible is. The God in the Bible created all things including nature. He is the ultimate and only He is worthy of worship. To answer your question, the Bible says there are is only one true God. And only He should you worship. You must decide.
So we must believe in your God because the bible ays so and we must trust the bible becuase becaue it is written to reflect the wishes and nature of your God?
Surely even you can see the circular nature of this argument....?

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