Internet Porn

A few points brought up by Holmes:
"And as far as your question about 'healthy attitudes about women', I am a bit curious how you would go about measuring this as an OBJECTIVE characteristic beyond not wanting to harm them."Well you could start with the development of steriotypes towards women, which is plausable because enough time seeing women having sex would certainly change the perspective of someone who hadn't previously been exposed to Internet Porn, such as a child. If your looking for a study to prove every point that is brought up, there isn't always going to be one. Reguardless of whether an up-to-date study is available this doesnt pose a threat to the thought patterns and morals of the reasonable person, particularly parents. Take steroids for example. There was a time when the side effects of steroids were not known, but does that mean that everyone jumped on the testosterone boat just to get bigger guns? Of course not, all it took was a reasonable person to realize that there was a very proabable risk of serious side effects. Another example is smoking tabacco.
Along with the example of steriotypes towards women the expectations of women would most definately change as many of these children who veiw Internet Porn may be uncertain of what happens in real life. The point of this being that porn isn't even as much about sexual intercourse as it is acting...its been referred to as art in fact. Take the average Bang Bus video and compare it to a close intimate couple making love and the result just isn't the same.Holmes- "The closest any study has come to finding any possible causative link between porn and behavior is increased apathy (perhaps just in attitude) towards victimization of women.... but there's a caveat! That is when the "porn" under discussion is hardcore violent porn, and researchers believe the desensitization comes from the violence and NOT the sex."I'm not sure if researchers beleive this based on some tangible evidence...nevertheless I think this point brings up nothing valid in your favor, other than a lack of studies in this field.Holmes- "To my mind the Bible holds not only 0 healthy attitudes about women, but the most violent anti-women statements you can find anywhere."Well I'd like to know what part of the bible you were reading. There ar numerous examples that cite that a husband show deep love for his wife. In fact the verse says to love your wife as you do yourself. Sounds like men and women are on the same playing grounds when it comes to love and respect. Perhaps you could site the verse that is so "anti-women."Holmes- "One passage extolls the virtue of God as he sends armies to rape and kill two girls. On the flip side many believe that feminism delivers unhealthy attitudes towards women."I'm sure you searched the Good Book real hard to find that one. Strangely enough im not familiar with this biblical story. You might want to consider context when using these examples...it might not be quite as "anti-woman" as you think it is, it's probably more along the lines of "anti-sinner."Holmes- "1) what about attitudes towards men, they are in porn too?"Absolutely. In fact thats an excellent question that you bring up. It's somewhat ironic in my opinion that we discuss the "views towards women" all this time when men are being just as degraded in Internet Porn.Holmes- "2) what about gay porn?"What about it? ....am I missing something?Holmes- "3) why would you think viewing people having sex (the most natural act which people are born to do) would have an adverse affect, especially when kids get to think about it anyway? Just because they don't have an image does not mean the fantasies go away... if anything they have the ability to become more perverse and fetishized."Once again this is a great question. It is important to be educated. Somehow though, I doubt cockcravers.com has the right answers as to how 2 people should come together in harmony. one point I'd like to bring up is that alot of these themes in pornography are supposed to be done with complete strangers..and often are. This teaches children that its ok to sleep with whomever..reguardless if they have a breakout of coldsores and some strange rash down there. Condoms really arent used all that much either....Not exactly the best educational tool, which is I think the point that you were bringing up.You seem to know alot about porn control on the internet, which seems somewhat...ironic..for lack of a better term, given your perceived stand on Internet Porn.Holmes- "And in that way I can equally filter out religious sites for my kids so they don't have to read filth like women getting raped and chopped into pieces, and murdered because some God does not know human anatomy and hates women... not to mention hates them as well and they have to feel guilty just for being born."Once again you have yet to site a Biblical reference.
Please respond with such evidence and I will show the greatest appreciation for such statements.

Holmes- "There is an objective and massive qualitative difference between injesting a chemical, and it having an effect on one's body, and there being an effect on one's social behavior and beliefs after having viewed something.You are tying two completely incompatible things together in order to make your position sound more credible"At the surface you are correct my freind, as there is a huge difference between taking a drug and veiwing adult material. However, it has been shown in clinical studies the addictive effect of Internet Pornography can be enormous. At the moment I am at a loss of where to find this study again, but if need be I will find it. It really doesn't take a clinical study to show that certain learned behaviors are very addictive, and amongst some of the least productive I beleive there is Internet Porn. The addictive ability that Internet Pornography posesses is why I compare it to a drug such as steroids. The hormonal levels DO change in ways similar, though I am unaware at what rate exactly.Holmes- "Unfortunately for you, studies have been done regarding such a connection and they suggest the relationship is not similar to the injestion of carcinogens. At that point repeating the above assertion as if it may still be true stops being reasonable."Intresting...someone has done their homework. Perhaps it was foolish to mention cigarettes. Nevertheless, the addictive ability from internet porn is still unignorable.
As for the statements you made about the Bible being so anti-feminist, I read the scriptures you cited andfirst off, saying that the Bible is one of the most anti-woman books ever written based on a few misunderstood passages is a great and definate misproportion of statements.In response to the scriptures you cited: Genesis 19:1-8 Is speaking of a time when God sends two angels to Sodom, the city in which God's prophet Lot is residing. These two angels are invited in with Lot and his family. A mob forms outside, obviously unaware or disrespective of these two guests being God's very own angels, sent with a purpose. In light of this purpose, Lot offers up his very own daughters in place of the messengers of God's will. This doesn't prove anything anti-feminine, however it does show Lot's deep respect for God's will. He was willing to offer up his own daughters in place of apathy towards God's plans. Truely, you cannot sit there and tell me that you think the Bible is such an anti-woman book that it shows Lot being willing to offer up his daughters to be raped. You can't tell me that Lot hates women THAT much..that he could give a sh$% about his daughters' welfare.As I previously mentioned in my first post, these references aren't quite as "anti-woman" as you think they are, but rather "anti-sinner", as is evident in your Ezekiel 23:20 reference. It is an example of how Oholibah's prostitutions caught up to her in the end when God punished her for her gross sins.As for the Judges 19:22-29 example, you should understand that there is no mention of the Bible's Author Jehovah God endorsing the actions of this wealthy man. Also, I'd like to bring up the point that while you state how horribly anti-woman the Bible is... out of tens of thousands of passages, you struggle to find 5 that seem to appear anti woman to the untrained eye. The same untrained eye that sees no harm in Internet Pornography. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 is another passage where dishonesty and prostitution were serious offences. You mentioned wanting to block religious sites that contain violent material against women. Well I gotta tell ya, the Good Book would be a much better source to pass time than Internet Pornography on that note, as I see women being degraded a great deal..as well as men in Porn. Another point I wanted to bring up is that while most pornography IS directed towards men, this says little about the actual tastes of individuals in how the dominant/submissive role is played. To say that ALL MEN insist on being the dominant force is steriotpical statements that need to be endorsed by factual evidence and even after you pull a study out of your ass for that one, it proves very little as to whether or not Internet Pornography is harmful or not.
One very profound clarification I'd like to bring up is that I do beleive that Internet Porn can be very seriously influential to children, but no evidence has been presented as to the presence of harmful effects to adults, and therefore I will silence myself on advertising such statements on adults and Internet Porn in this forum, until evidence is created and then retreived.Holmes- "Would it be okay if the only porn allowed was nonfictional depictions of people actually having sex? And how does just nudity (which is also considered porn) fit into this scenario of yours?"Yes. I think I failed to mention that my largest critisms are based on children veiwing Internet Porn. This would mean that I think its wrong to depict sex in an unnatural light to someone so young and influential. By unnatural I mean staged and "acted" sexual behaviors. As for nudity, I can't see a problem with someone seeing the male/female body for what it really is, as long as it isn't going to influence a child's--or adult's mind into thinking similar to the advertisements in magazines...perfection is the only acceptable state to be in.
Nude pictures tend to be similar to the models you see in magazines also, just...without clothes. I see no harm in that one aspect of Internet Porn.