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pink sasquatch
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Message 86 of 295 (117543)
06-22-2004 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Steve
06-22-2004 11:16 AM


never been snuffed
Have you ever heard of snuff films or child porn. We're not just talking about Jenna Jamison here.
How many snuff films are made each year? How many people view them? What about child porn? How much is there, and how many people use it? Were these depraved people into murder and sex with children before or after they came into contact with general porn?
These are important issues if you are going to posit that Jenna Jameson films leads to gang rapes, murder, and child molestation.
but sex in marriage is a million times better than watching an image.
What if my wife and I make our own porn and watch it together? Is that okay?

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pink sasquatch
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Message 89 of 295 (117775)
06-23-2004 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Steve
06-22-2004 11:33 PM


birth control = pedophilia, apparently
Steve - I would have hoped you would have realized by now that linking a Google search for "pornography AND help" does not cut it as a "citation" on this forum.
Also, the other "citation" you link does NOT describe pornography leading to pedophilia (though is does talk about child pornography as a problem). It uses HOMOSEXUALITY as its link to pedophilia, which is a tired, dangerous, completely incorrect stereotype. In any case, they also blame the advent of BIRTH CONTROL PILLS as contributing to a cultural climate permissive of pedophilia. Additionally, the article doesn't contain any data, and most of its citations are simply Supreme Court cases.
About half of the article condemns homosexuality between consenting adults, and condemns the Supreme Court for overturning the sodomy laws. If you are against homosexuality and sodomy, I suggest you visit Lam's latest thread on the topic.
Again, I'll ask for real data on the subject of snuff films, gang rape, and child porn, especially data suggesting standard pornography leads to these things. Otherwise your assertions are unsupported.
Also Ted Bundy is an anecdote. I'm sure he also owned a Bible.
"What if's" count even less for evidence than anecdotes.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 93 of 295 (117888)
06-23-2004 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Steve
06-23-2004 9:03 AM


Steve- you've haven't addressed the fact that the article deals more with homosexuality and birth control than pornography - so it doesn't support your porn-related assertions.
Also, what was the time of first sexual encounters in biblical times? I believe the marrying age was quite young, and some modern polygamists try to marry 12-14 year old girls based on their Christian beliefs.
So maybe, if the trend towards pedophilia exists, it is more of a return to biblical lifestyle than the slow creep of perversion into all aspects of our society...
Does anyone have ideas/evidence regarding the age of marriage in the old and new testaments?

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pink sasquatch
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Message 105 of 295 (118274)
06-24-2004 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Steve
06-24-2004 1:34 AM


Steve, steve, steve...
A LINK TO A GOOGLE SEARCH IS NOT A VALID REFERENCE! If you can't find any primary data to support your claims, don't ask us to do it for you!
steve writes:
by the way, porn supports organized crime.
Actually, the biggest money-makers in the porn industry are the mega-media-corporations - primarily via the pay-per-view system. There is essentially no overhead, they charge more, and it's all profit. (So "wholesome" companies like Disney, or at least the larger companies that they are part of, make a substantial amount of their annual profits from porn...
Organized crime? Where did you get that from? Please don't provide a link to Google search "porn+organized+crime".
Your link to Dr. Judith Reisman is better, but after scanning it a bit I had trouble finding any original research, or any causal link between porn and the evil things you've been listing. The primary link seems to be that porn usage and violence have both increased over a number of decades, and that therefore the porn likely induced the violence - why didn't the violence increase lead to the porn use as an escape? or population increase leading to both? or any other socioeconomic issue?
Also, Dr. Reisman's website has "SCIENTIST & RESEARCHER" in big bold font on every page of her site, but in fine print, buried half-way down her CV page, we find out that her degrees are in communications - every scientific CV I've ever seen begins with the degrees, usually followed by peer-reviewed publications. Dr. Reisman doesn't have any peer-reviewed publications listed. That fact that Dr. Laura (degree in english, I believe) is her good buddy doesn't help my view that she is intentionally misleading about her training as a "scientist".
My favorite line from the Reisman paper is:
For, this always confusing mood altering experience [viewing porn], by its nature, generates states of lust, undergirded by anxiety which always produces levels of fear, anger and shame. Such is the quality of the mood altering response to provoking sex stimuli, labeled by the individual as sexual arousal.
Porn always produces "fear, anger, and shame" following the "provoking of sex stimuli."
What uptight demographic did they use to demonstrate that sexual stimulus always produces fear? (They didn't, they used anecdotal evidence...)

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pink sasquatch
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Message 118 of 295 (118790)
06-25-2004 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by kofh2u
06-25-2004 6:38 PM


Re: no more facts please...
The growing forces that are currently lobbying for "Man-Boy Love," have associations, organizations, high hopes of changing future laws.
Just out of curiousity - specifically, what are these forces/associations/organizations lobbying for "Man-Boy Love?"

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