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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I am trying to find out any valid proof for Evolution. I have not heard from anyone. They always attack me for questioning Evolution. It is simple. When there is no answer, then attack the messenger. The questions will not go away. They will always come back. Here it comes. It is the basic assumption that the basic elements of nature under some natural power combined and formed basic amiono acids and they combined to form proteins. Then, the cell was formed and life came into existence. It is a very good story for a science fiction. In reality it has never happened and will never happen.Why? In the classical experimant of Miller and Urey in their attempt to create life, all they found was a racemeic mixture of the same basic amino acid. In a racemic mixture, only the L-form is biologically active and the D-form is a biological poison. IN a mixtue like this, nothing will proceed. In simple words, Chemical Evolution is impossible. Because, chemical and physical laws do not allow chemical evolution to occur. Even after millions of years, this mixture will remain only as a mixture and perhaps will get destroyed. There are basic regulatory mechanisms that will not allow nay reaction to occur. Otherwise, we will have chaos on the earth. Now, if random chance will create protein from amino acids, the chances are only 1 in 10X 42 ( 10 raised to the power of 42) This is a statistical impossibility. Yet, it happened. How? Is there any other way, it could have ahppened?
My decision either to chose or not to chose will not change the reality, but my decisions will have serious consequences for my life. Ex-Darwinist,Ex-Atheist, Ex-Democrat
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
No, ID does not imply God. In fact, it does not imply anything. It is left to anyone's imagination. ID could be a computer Nerd, Alien from Mars, Chemical Engineer, Architect, Marine biologist and perhaps a Genetic Engineer.Who knows?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Evolution doesn't care about HOW an organism came into existance. It's total focus is on how the population of that organism will change over time"
Well, the foundation of biology is orgin of life. When there is no foundtion for evolution, then how good is the superstructure?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
So much is being said about creativity of the evolutionary process. To me, this sounds like magic. There is no magic in Scince. Is this not a huge leap of Faith in the Evolutionary process? Does it not take more faith to believe in this process than to believe in a designer?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Neither of them can be proved. However, one gets the Special privilege of being taught in the Schools whereas the other is being suppressed. Today, the militants of Evolution have carried out a JIHAD on alternate theories.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
) Evolution has most definitely been observed to occur both in the lab and in the field, so you are wrong there"
Can some one show me one such evidence please?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
How could you not allow your students to make any CRITICAL THINKING? No wonder our students are not doing well and they cannot compete with others specially from Asia. When we become too subjective, we are loosing our perspectives. Before accepting anything as facts, it is extremely important for all of us to examine evry information available and apply the questions: How? Why? and why not? This will make an objective study of science. Otherwise we will only be reproducing ROBOTS who will not examine anything , but accept everything as :THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE. This then becomes Guided ignorance.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I am not a mathematician. But, I have heard from few Biophysicists that Evolution cannot be substantiated by mathematics. Chemical evolution is a statistical improbability. If chemical evolution is impossible, how can biological evolution occur? This is where I am now. Neither Creation Nor Evolution can be proved. Therefore, we must admit to the students that at present there is no definite answer for the question, how life came into existence. Let the students find out the answer.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Chemical evolution is both improbable as well as impossible.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Can you show me one example for chemical evolution? Chemical reactions are fully orderd. Certain reactions can never occur.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
What is life? Is it abunch of chemicals? Can you define life?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
We cannot leave the students in a limbo in the absence of any suitable explanation for the origin of life. Just as we are discussing, we must be honest enough to admit the facts before the students. Is this too much to ask. There is no proof for creation. No one lived billions of years ago to record the events. Rusting is not a chemical evolution. Rusting is a process in which iron is converted into the oxide form. You can say that this is how iron is degraded. This does not contribute to the evolution of life. This is a poor example for chemical evolution. Look at the obsession of all those who believe in evolution!!!!!!!!
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I do not understand why you have to call names instead of answering the questions. If you have no answer you must admit it. This is the problem with the defenders of abortion and evolution.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
"This isn't a theory, its an experiment, so falsification isn't really an issue. The experiment demonstrates that a process can design an object, and that intelligence isn't required. Its doubly powerful because the experiment wasn't set up to design a radio"
Here, we have a cart before the horse. The design itself is a process. Process is not design. Process does not design anything. PRocess is the outcome of a design.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Dr.Stephen Cheesman,Ph.D is a geophysicist and a software developer. This is what he says about DNA "I look at biology as being very complicated computer code. There is no way I could create a code like this. In the DNA you have a novel,a long novel,spelled out, which produces US. We are skecptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence of Darwinian theory should be encouraged".
Tony Jelsma,Ph.D(McMaster) ( Ontario) TEaches Evolution and he points out the flaws in this theory to his students."If you look at the research into origin of life,there is not asingly plausible hypothesis or even aproposed mechanism(within evolution) that would have worked. That is the biggest shortcoming in the whole evolutionary scenario I would rather we think a little bit outside the Darminian rut".The Canadian Scientists are circulation a petition denouncing Evolution. In Colorado,ID is being taught in a school which has produced the best students. The students are taught Evolution because they have to get grades. (Academic Tyranny). For Real Science, they are taught Intelligent Design. Many of these students are challenging their teachers concerning Evolution.
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