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Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science

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Message 34 of 203 (283739)
02-03-2006 9:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 32 by pianoprincess*
02-03-2006 9:11 PM

One very big difference.
Young Earth Creationism has been absolutely falsified.
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It is simply wrong and to teach such totally incorrect things is simply to keep children in ignorance.
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02-03-2006 9:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 33 by Glass Swan
02-03-2006 9:12 PM

Why is creationism not science?
Because it cannot be independantly verified or falsified.
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03-02-2006 10:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 148 by inkorrekt
03-02-2006 9:29 PM

Re: oh boy!
As far as the Christian College is concerned, the professor is only affirming the Statement of faith of that college. What is wrong with this? You do not go there. leave them alone.
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Leave them alone? When they are perverting the message of GOD? When they are promoting wilfull ignorance and forcing on the inocent children?
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No way. As a Christian I MUST speak out against such perversions.
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To quote the Clergy Project:
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We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge.
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03-04-2006 7:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 160 by inkorrekt
03-04-2006 6:19 PM

More reasons that ID has no place in the classroom.
If you are referring to the Jesus Seminar theologians, their objective is to discredit the Bible as a whole and I have nothing to say.
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That's a pretty strong unsupported assertion there sir. But no, these are not 6the Jesus Seminar theologians but rather over 10,000 Christian Clergy from the US. Just plain old mainline Christian Clergy.
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But, the Professor in the Christian college is doing his duty. If this Christian professor came to your college and forced his views on you, then you have every right to object to it.
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Who said anything about forcing views on anyone. If that school wishes to raise a bunch of ignorant kids and if parents wish to force ignorance on their children, that is their option.
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The Constitution does give the professor the right to be ignorant, and no one is opposing his right. But what we are doing is going public to tell everyone that Christians DO support both the Theory of Evolution and the old universe and that those who try to teach ID or Young Earth or Biblical Creationism are simply misleading both the students and their flock.
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I do not understand why A Buddhist, Muslim, Taoist or a Hindu can "establish" his beliefs whereas A Christian cannot even "exercise" his own beliefs.
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That's totally off topic for this thread but if you want to try to start a thread and support those assertions, please give it a shot.
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05-11-2006 5:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 180 by mr_matrix
05-11-2006 5:48 PM

Re: The Intellegent design in nature
Posting the same message twice really doesn't add weight.
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There seems to be great confusion that humans suffer because of the athiest philosophy of evolution.
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this is off topic but I do need to point out that the TOE is certainly not Atheistic, in fact every major Christian Church supports the TOE and opposes Biblical Creationism. In addition, it is not a philosophy. So two errors in your first sentence.
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The rest of your message is just unsupported assertions unrelated to the topic.
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05-11-2006 6:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 185 by mr_matrix
05-11-2006 6:08 PM

Re: The Intellegent design in nature
You are way off topic for this thread, but there is not one single true statement in your post.
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Please take your stuff to the appropriate thread. I'll be happy to blow them away in the appropriate place, but this thread is about "Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science".
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AbE: if you'd like some pointers on how the board works, drop into chat and I'll gladly try to help.
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05-12-2006 10:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 201 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 6:01 PM

Re: The Intellegent design in nature
Well, as expected, your thread was simply weak. But let's try to move this back towards the topic.
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What possible purpose of advantage could come from ID?
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If we find something that appears to be IC and so just say the designer did it, how much knowledge will we forego?
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If there is a designer, why is so much of his work, over 99% of it, unsatisfactory? Is he really as incompetent as his designs seem to show?
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