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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science
Jazzns
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Message 53 of 203 (284563)
02-07-2006 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by iano
02-07-2006 8:55 AM


I personally resent that very much Iano. Many of us on this board who know that "scientific ID" is a bunch of political hogwash also know Christ is Lord and believe he is the creator of the heavens and the earth.

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Jazzns
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Message 58 of 203 (284577)
02-07-2006 11:35 AM
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02-07-2006 11:29 AM


Intended or not it certainly read that way. The most certainly is not a "Christian Camp" on this board. There are Christians on both sides of the debate some who fervently disagree with each other. And if one "hates" the other it is most certainly does not mean that they hated Him first.

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Jazzns
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Message 64 of 203 (284698)
02-07-2006 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by John 10:10
02-07-2006 5:31 PM


Copying or quoting?
I cannot tell if you are quoting or not because I am in a text based browser.
Did you just quote Hovind or are you using it as if they are you own words?
Almost the exact same stuff is at:
http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=105

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Jazzns
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Message 191 of 203 (311150)
05-11-2006 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by mr_matrix
05-11-2006 6:21 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
1)Look at the percise distance from the sun and the moon that if they change a little that would destroy life on Earth.
These distances are constantly changing and life still exists. Wrong on number 1.
2)specific speed of rotation and orbiting that if are slower of faster that can disturb the environment and cause life to end.
Once again the rotation of the earth has changed and continues to change. In the past years were 400+ days. Wrong on number 2.
3)Percision in the water cycle since the quantity of water that falls by rain is the same each year and if it change a little this will cause either flood or drought in many parts of the world
Which happens all the time. Wrong on number 3.
4)The magnetic belt around earth that is unique for our planet and protects it from harmful solar radiation otherwise we will die
Which changes unpredictably even flipping its orientation causing brief periods of 0 protection. Yea, great system. Wrong on number 4.
5)The proper thikness of the atmosphere and its layers and how each layer has a tack specially designed to benifit life on earth
Once again, it changes all the time causing problems for lots of life. Wrong on number 5.
6) the great abundance of water with percise proportion with land that is not found in any other planet in the solar system.
What does this have anything to do with fine tuning. That being said, the level of water in the oceans changes over time. Wrong on number 6.
7)The very percise degree of tilt in the axis of rotation of earth that is crucial for the seasons and if there is a one degree change the seasons' cycle will be disturbed and that will lead to the end of life on earth.
The tilt of the earth changes MANY DEGREES over time and life is not extinguished. This is probably the most incorrect one of them all. Both magnetic and polar north move within a non-insignificant range. Really wrong on number 7.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 192 of 203 (311151)
05-11-2006 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by mr_matrix
05-11-2006 6:38 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
Per our moderators request. Please take addition replies to an appropriate thread. Might I suggest you start a new thread on fine tuning where these can be further discussed.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 196 of 203 (311162)
05-11-2006 7:03 PM
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05-11-2006 6:50 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
By the way recheck your information because you are claiming some incorrect facts.
I have sources to back up most if not all of the refutations I posted. Since it is OT for this thread I am happy to discuss them with you if you would like to start a new thread. Might I suggest you start a thread about fine tuning.
how can you claim they all came by "chance"?
I don't think they all came by chance. I believe that the Lord God is the creator of the Universe and everything in it. I was simply rebutting your list of incorrect facts. You can have your own opinions but you cannot have your own facts. Lets move this discussion to an appropriate thread.
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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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