Does Darwinism Equal "No God"?

It doesn't necessarily assert atheism, but it suggests it.Darwinism hints at atheism.Abiogenesis hints at atheism.Big Bang theory, however, hints at a Creator.

I don't see what's naive about it.

These two statements seem rather inconsistent to me.

The correlation is obvious. Things happen naturally. There is no need for the supernatural.

So this is not the sort of God that counts the hairs of the head, I take it. That could be a little problematical.

OK, I take back the part about it being problematical. This is not the sort of God that counts the hairs of the head, I take it?

TOE technically has nothing to do with the origin of life, but nonetheless you will find in a book called "What Evolution Is" a discussion of the origin of life---all of it put forth very tentatively of course. Why is such a discussion in this book? Why? Because the concept of evolution lends itself to the idea of abiogenesis, that's why.In the same way, TOE technically has nothing to do with the concept of God. Nonetheless, it suggests that all of life developed naturally and accidentally, with no need for God and The Great Chain of Being created by Him, in which all the gaps of possible beings are filled in, from the angels to the lowly worm.So I would disagree that TOE suggests theism just as much as it suggests nihilism.Darwinism is an earth-shaking idea, once we fully grasp all its implications.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 12-19-2005 03:25 PM

My argument is Occam's Razor.Evolution and abiogenesis show us that God is not necessary for life.

If you are looking for evidence for God, you are not going to find it in TOE.Or anywhere else, for that matter.

I guess you can say that God works in mysterious ways, but wouldn't you want a little evidence?

Yes, it would. And what do we find with TOE?We find a world in which in order to survive life forms have to feed on other life forms. We find a killing field.

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We are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.--Matthew Arnold

In other words, you are saying, "I hereby accept this . . . no reason to, but I do . . ."

I think it does--not automatically and certainly, of course. One has to turn one's God into a "Hands-off" God at the very least.A hands-off god is one step away from atheism.

Your God, Jar, if I understand you correctly, is a God that invented the laws of nature, and after that let things play themselves out by themselves. That's what I mean by "hands-off."

OK, I get that. I'm just curious--do you believe in the concept of the Fall?