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Phat
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Message 93 of 298 (270470)
12-18-2005 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Percy
12-18-2005 9:10 AM


Re: What the evolutionary explanation is....
I usually never read threads on the "other" side of the forum, but I did read this one, and I think that you have a P.O.T.M. reply here, Percy! I particularly like this quote:
Percy writes:
How existing life forms changes over time is evolution. How life originally came to exist is the origin of life. Within the science of biology, this distinction has been in place at least since Darwin, whose book was titled Origin of Species, not Origin of Life. If you look at the table of contents of Darwin's book you'll see that he never addresses the subject of the origin of life.
Where people get the idea that the theory of evolution is a threat (or a counter-religion) to the origin of life is beyond me!
Randman, if you are reading this, know that we do not intentially attack you personally, but, rather, continually and calmly point out the flaws in your logic. Perhaps we can all pause a moment here and remember the O.P. of this topic:
randman,in post#1 writes:
First, Darwin and no one has ever come out with a good explanation for how life arose in the first place.
Secondly, using the theory of evolution to assert atheism...is a fundamental misuse of science...
It appears that your original premise is that many evolutionists (or other "questionable characters") DO this. Am I right or WRONG?
Of course, I can forgive you because you also said in Post#1
randman writes:
I hesitate to open a new thread...
This message has been edited by Phat, 12-18-2005 07:50 AM

Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere.
Pensées (1670)
We arrive at truth, not by reason only, but also by the heart.
Pensées (1670)
Heb 4:12-13-- For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Holy Spirit--speaking through the Apostle Paul

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Phat
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Message 205 of 298 (271052)
12-20-2005 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Percy
12-20-2005 9:50 AM


Re: What the evolutionary explanation is....
Percy writes:
I'm still curious how Worldbook's entry for spontaneous generation could have undergone such a significant revision when it moved online. I wonder what I would find if I trotted over to a neighbor's house who happens to have a 1990's edition of Worldbook and looked up spontaneous generation. Would it be consistent with your claims in Message 122? Hmmm.
Just so happens that I have a 1999 Worldbook CD...lemme see what it says:
Worldbook1999 writes:
Spontaneous generation refers to the theory that certain forms of life, such as flies, worms, and mice, can develop directly from nonliving things, such as mud and decaying flesh. This theory dates to prehistoric times and was widely accepted for thousands of years. It was challenged by scientific experiments, such as those performed by the Italian biologist Francesco Redi in 1668. Redi demonstrated that maggots (the young of flies) did not appear in meat from which adult flies were excluded. Previously, many people had believed that flies developed from decaying meat.
The theory of spontaneous generation was largely abandoned in the mid-1800's. By then, improvements in microscopes and other scientific instruments had enabled scientists to see the eggs and sperm of higher animals, the ovules (eggs) and pollen of plants, and bacteria and other microorganisms. For example, in the mid-1800's, the French scientist Louis Pasteur observed reproduction and growth in microorganisms. He demonstrated that the microorganisms would grow in sterilized broth only if the broth was first exposed to air that contained their spores (reproductive cells). Pasteur's discoveries led to the development of the cell theory of the origin of living matter. The cell theory states that all life originates from preexisting living material.
Today, most scientists believe that spontaneous generation took place at least once--when certain chemicals came together to form the first simple living organism more than 3 billion years ago. This process is not thought to be occurring in nature today because conditions on the earth no longer favor such chemical combinations. In addition, any simple organisms that did form in this way would almost certainly fail to compete successfully against more complex existing organisms. However, laboratory experiments since the mid-1900's have showed that many molecules found in living organisms can be synthesized (produced artificially). Most biologists believe that it will eventually be possible to produce simple forms of life in the laboratory.
Contributor: Jerry A. Coyne, Ph.D., Prof. of Ecology and Evolution, Univ. of Chicago.
This CD helped me many a time while in college! Good ole Worldbook! Its more than a childrens encyclopedia!

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