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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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OK, so what's with this inability to talk about sex? Jesus H!!! (follow that link to learn something about Christograms, or ignore it and remain eternally ignorant) We know that you're a bunch of fucking prudes, but you're making it completely ludicrous.*
Has nobody else ever had to try to struggle through high school biology? Really? Just plant sex alone completely blows the mind. Hadn't creationists even ever learned that much? Really? No wonder they're such complete idiots!
FOOTNOTE * My friend got many of her ideas for travel from Rick Steves on PBS -- I watch his shows in her memory and to reconstruct her plans for our travels. One show is a behind the scenes of how they produce their content. In one Italian art shot, he talks about having to be careful to not show too much "flesh". My friend immediately laughed out loud. "He's talking about penises! We are going to see so many penises!!!!" Of course, I interpreted that as her comment on our culture's general and stupid prudishness. BTW, at the Galleria dell'Accademia in Florence, I pointed out to her that David is not circumcised whereupon she went over to use her phone's camera telephoto feature to get a better view. I wanted to kid her about having tricked her into taking a "dick pic", but knew better than to press it. The next day we went through the Uffizi and in my casual survey every single Old Testament subject was not circumcised. All their penis sizes seemed rather small, which some Wikipedia source said was an artistic decision or whatever. Not that I'm trying to brag or whatever.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Delve into the weirdest part of high school biology (c. 1967): The Sex Lives of Plants.
How did the life cycle of that particular fern go? The plant grew from a seed. That plant produces spores, not seeds, which produce the second kind of ferns. When then go on to produce that first kind of plant. Uh, excuse me, but WHAT??????????? And don't even get me started on plant gender! As simple as that should be, I still cannot wrap my head around it! I mean, just look at a flower! Both male and female apparati present and accounted for! How could one flower serve both genered purposes? After more than half a century of thinking far too much, I still cannot understand it! OK. Forget the birds and the bees, because they know nothing about procreation. Rather, the plants know. And the animals followed, the only thing they know how. We people reproduce only in one fashion (no need to get graphic here). But plants are not so limited as we are. Consider the strawberry. Strawberry seeds, OK. But that's the least of it. Strawberries send out runners. Tendrils that reach out and stick themselves into the ground to create an entirely new plant. Two ways to reproduce! Flatworms (and a number of other worms to my rather limited knowledge) have all kinds of very kinky sexual wiles. Split a flatworm in half and you get two flatworms. In the 1960's (as I'd been told within the SCUBA community) the starfish were eating the stalks of kelp, so we should get rid of the starfish. So divers would go down and gather up all the starfish they could, chop them up into pieces, and dump them overboard. The problem was (as per what the SCUBA community had taught me) that each chunk of starfish just grew another starfish, so those divers were just spreading the plague, so to speak. But doesn't that flatworm have other ways to reproduce? And that's the name of the game, so to speak. How do you procreate? In several ways Pick one. Tequila Time stall. Sexy time. How you gonna reproduce? Any which way you can,. man. We see all these various species with multiple means to reproduce . Duh?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And don't forget those species that can change sex when the need arises and those species that only have their sex determined by the temperature of the rotting vegetation or drying mud the eggs were laid in.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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The bottom line is that all this sexual reproduction stuff got invented and worked out a long long time ago and while other forms of reproduction were still in use. The "dilemmas" presented by creationists are not only ridiculous but they also fall completely apart with in the light of high school biology.
Didn't this BS-SUCKER guy ever take high school biology? He didn't come up with his "gem" challenge all by himself, but rather it was taught to him. Is he in a Christian school (or home school) that's ensuring that he will never be exposed to biology? Is he just yet another fool whose homework assignment is to post from a list of nonsense on an "evolutionist" forum? We've had a few of those pop up over the years. We mammals have our X and Y sex chromosomes, but those gender changers (eg, fish, reptiles, birds) have a different genetic setup (ZW sex-determination system). And that different setup seems to be the basis for their parthenogenesis, "virgin births." Basically, if there are no males around, the females of some species can lay fertile eggs that they produce themselves (ie, the fatal flaw in Jurassic Park's fail-safe of only spawning female dinosaurs -- "Nature will find a way."). The thing is that the offspring produced by means of virgin birth are clones of the mother and hence are female. On my "Jesus H. Christ": Why "H"? page, I muse about Jesus' gender. Shouldn't he have been a "Jessica"? After all, she had to have been genetically identical to his mother and therefore female. That is how virgin births work, after all. Though I haven't seen any discussion of how the ability to change gender during incubation would play with parthenogenesis. Such that even though all her offspring are clones of her, some of them could change to male before hatching. Though that would still present a serious genetic bottleneck.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
dwise1 writes:
...Such that even though all her offspring are clones of her, some of them could change to male before hatching.... everybody knows males are just genetic defects of the X chromosome. One of the legs of the X broke off and became a Y."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I note that BSCUTTER21 has no further comments about sex or anything else.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
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Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Withdrew some info.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Moose, You know I love you, but, the big brother thing isn't a good look. Part of the fun of finding a new friend is finding out who, and what, they are. Give him room and not too much hassle and let another personality bloom in the fertile grou....
Hey, BSCUTTER21. You don't have a thread of your own, yet, but there is nothing in the grand design of the universe to keep you from dropping in here if you would like.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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I messaged him about seven hours ago to let him know that we're discussing his post in this topic. I also expressed my hope that he could finally do what no other creationist has done: describe what he thinks evolution is and how it works. And I confirmed to him that his claim is one of the worst, but we can help him learn what its mistakes are.
But I have to agree with Tanypteryx that it's not looking promising. He appears to be a typical low-level creationist committing yet another run-by fruiting (as Mrs. Doubtfire would put it). Basically a troll who just wanted to raise a ruckus. But if he does return and agree to participate, then that would be good.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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sorry, Jar, but I have to::::
Jar writes:
So much of modern evangelical fundamentalist conservative Christianity is depraved on account of ... they ...been deprived "Hey, he's depraved on account of being deprived! Gee, Officer Krupke, you're really a square - [DIESEL (as Judge), spoken]Hear ye, hear ye! In the opinion on this court, this child is depraved on account he ain't had a normal home [RIFF, spoken]Hey, I'm depraved on account I'm deprived [DIESEL, spoken]So take him to a headshrinker [RIFF]My father is a bastard My ma's an S.O.B My grandpa's always plastered My grandma pushes tea My sister wears a mustache My brother wears a dress Goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess! "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Some one was sure to.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Hey, guys and gals who love science too!
MrID writes: Scientific Falsification of the Theory of Evolution (ToE) and Introducing ToE's ReplaIn addition with my science articles in Zenodo, I will be submitting a science article falsifying ToE. It is very easy to do it. But I need your help: Do you know who are those scientists that had attempted to falsify ToE? I need some info or input from you guys/gals who love science too! Just put your answer below. Thank you! I am in the half of article... pray that God will help me save humanity from ToE... Basically, every scientist working in a biological field, attempts to falsify the Theory of Evolution with every experiment. That is the initial indication that they may be on to something useful...Does it make sense in light of evolution? God seems to be doing a really shitty job of helping MrID communicate effectively, but that seems to be God's MO.
MrID writes: It is so amazing that in our generation, a person like me could discover the real topic of intelligence and the implications to our science and to the world. Yep, in the Information Age with a world wide internet it is so amazing that someone like you could discover the topic of intelligence, it's surprising, shocking even. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Yep, in the Information Age with a world wide internet it is so amazing that someone like you could discover the topic of intelligence, it's surprising, shocking even. I think you misunderstand. The concept of intelligence was not his discovery. Intelligence itself was. There was no intelligence before Mr. ID found it. But he had to open the damn box, it got out and spread everywhere, even dolphins. Missed republicans, though.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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There was no intelligence before Mr. ID found it. Well, I don't know what he found, but it wasn't intelligence. He has already falsified that hypothesis.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Jzyehoshua Member (Idle past 790 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
If by asexual you mean rare cases of virgin births which could be viewed as vindicating the Bible rather than disproving it. Unnatural homosexual activity in nature, as well as intersex genitalia, is commonly caused by mankind's alteration of the environment and/or life with artificial sex hormones known as xenoestrogens and xenoandrogens.
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