Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals

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from the Dredge pile: IT IS FACT, you idiot. you are, like all humans, unable to visualize/grok the concept of billions of years. but we know it as a fact. perhaps, but the survival of a forest does not depend on building log cabins. Maybe some day, in some future time, it might be advantageous to make shelters out of fallen relatives by growing root systems that push the logs around and make the forest safer from decay above - but that is just conjecture. the point is there is no survival advantage known in the historical records at this date.This is nothing more than a rewording of the spurious argument about the creation of the human eye. each step in the evolution of the less-than-perfect human eye had its survival advantages. the octopus eye ancestors would have been a better supply of DNA, but they were on a different branch in the tree of Universal Common Descent. they could provide additional structural strength, making it easier to puncture the increasingly tougher skins of their prey. Why did John Wooden roll his program up on the sidelines of the UCLA basketball championship seasons? Here, they make the snake's teeth stronger. There certainly may have been mutations that made flat teeth, but the weaker structure might break or crack and would have led to their death before they could procreate. In the meantime, the prey is experiencing survival advantages in tougher skins and the race is on. Yes...the "magic" of BILLIONS of generations with tiny flaws in reproducing an exact copy of their DNA. Most flaws are probably neutral, many are disadvantageous, and a few are advantageous. Yes, it is magical - this natural world we live in! So. What are you? A rider on the slow bus? Thank you. BY GEORGE, I THINK HE'S GOT IT!!!! YES, YES, YES! Except that none of us are laughing...we are instead trying to help your deficient brain get up to speed in simple understanding.

more Dredgings: i know you're an OEC.but i was saying that none of us humans can comprehend or grok what BILLIONS actually means. we use math, but we have no feel for these gigous numbers.this means that when you wonder how a tooth could ever get hollow, you are showing that you are not really understanding BILLIONS of years.for all we know, perhaps there was stretch of time when they couldn't get enough calcium and then the offspring that had grooved or hollow teeth had a better chance to live long enough to reproduce enough times.

Dredge: didn't i say that the prey was also evolving and getting tougher skin?

Dredge: yes, if your "poof" took BILLIONS of years. the parents had already lots of connections and their parents had lots, but not quite as many and so on, stretched out over BILLIONS of years. and it would be impossible to find and declare the first such snake. couldn't put your finger on it. many snakes were getting very close, then some perhaps made it across a very imprecise definition of hollow venomous teeth. other scientists would differ over which ones were first, based on each of their own definitions.

Dredge: right. but it was thousands, if not BILLIONS of little mutations along the way. maybe many were useless for their time, but didn't get in the way of survival and then, after generations and generations, accidentally began to form parts of what became the venomous hollow tooth.

nwr writes: for example, my learning how to play the 5-string banjo probably has NO SURVIVAL ADVANTAGE.

Dredge: You made me think of the FBI Agent in the movie "Some Like It Hot" when he comes into the birthday cake scene
and is asked by the head gangster "Do you wanna make a Federal Case out of it?"He grabs the microphone to the earphones off the guy, cranks up the volume up to 11, and drawls out a long loud"YEEAAH!!!"so that's my non-herpetologist answer.

Dredge: likely there were fewer and fewer of fewer of them around, due to predation. the snake probably enjoyed the softies he did find.but there were not enough to live by. ya takes what ya kin get.

wow, i was right!
and i was just making a WAGNER - a Wild-Assed Guess Not Easily Refuted.thanks, Tangle!

Dredgeings: you forgot this from Message 820:"start with a little groove on the inside of a tooth, then some are born with deeper grooves that are favored in that current environment. they survive at a more frequent rate and eventually are the major variant. then the deeper groove begins to fold together " hey fuck you. you have the fairy tale, not science - don't try to drag the whole science expert work down by bringing it to your level!!

Billions of random imperfect copies of the DNA that lead to variation and then, more often, the flatter toothed individuals die before they can reproduce.

more Dredge: flat teeth would break more often trying to pierce the food covering.
hollow teeth would succeed more often trying to pierce the food covering.

Dredging: it's easy. just go over to your gas stove and stand on a chair while you drop your pants and bend your ass over a front burner while you turn the burner on. Then, holding your position, light a match over the burner.Now that's real gaslighting!

UCD is the simplest explanation. Any kindergarten student can understand it.Why cant Dredge? What happened to him? Was he dropped on his head as an infant?