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Author Topic:   The Tension of Faith
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Message 88 of 1540 (820558)
09-22-2017 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Aussie
09-22-2017 1:37 PM


"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh..."
Outside words reveal inside hearts. You are morally accountable for them.
Except on the internet...

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Message 100 of 1540 (820681)
09-25-2017 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by kbertsche
09-23-2017 10:08 PM


Re: Salvation from Hell comes by Jesus Christ
Logically, eternal life and procreation don't mix. Logically, there's no point to male and female without procreation.
Agreed.
Wait, so if eternal life and procreation are mutually exclusive then; because God made Adam and Eve as male and female then He didn't intend for them to live forever.
Which makes sense that there was a Tree of Life that would make them live forever if they ate from it. That would be pointless if they already would live forever.
So do you agree that Adam and Eve were not created to live forever?

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Message 222 of 1540 (821558)
10-09-2017 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by kbertsche
10-07-2017 2:18 PM


Re: Conversations with Faith on faith.
Re the apparent contradiction between Calvinism and Arminianism:
jar writes:
If both positions are in the Bible then that is a contradiction.
It really is that simple Faith.
Maybe not. If my physics book says that photons are both particles and waves, is it contradicting itself? Or is this really true, and our limited perspective is misleading us?
Yes, the wave-particle duality is a contradiction and is referred to as a paradox.
The Calvinism-Arminianism paradox is also a contraction.

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Message 306 of 1540 (821843)
10-13-2017 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by Phat
10-13-2017 2:33 PM


Re: The Poof Is In The Pudding
Atoms make the most sense to me. They are what makes up things that are seen and yet they themselves are unseen.
I don't think it's talking about physical things. If you read the whole chapter, as well as the end of Chapter 10 and the beginning of Chapter 12, it reads as if it is talking about the unseen future.
quote:
Hebrews 10
23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one anotherand all the more as you see the Day approaching.
32 Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. 33 Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34 You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. 35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.
36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
quote:
Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
4 By faith Abel brought God...
5 By faith Enoch was taken...
7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family...
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going....
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.
39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
quote:
Hebrews 12
12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
The lesson is to keep your faith and press on even when you're not sure what the outcome is going to be. God is in charge of what is going to happen an He'll make it right if you stand by your faith and do the right thing.
That's my take on it.
It doesn't have anything to do with atoms, or in Faith's case granting believers special Bible-reading powers.

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Message 421 of 1540 (822795)
11-01-2017 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by GDR
10-31-2017 10:38 PM


Re: Evolving theology
In order to understand the OT it has to be done through the lens of what Jesus taught.
That sucks for the pre-Jesus Jews who thought they were God's chosen people but couldn't even get the whole story so were doomed to misunderstand it.

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Message 452 of 1540 (822883)
11-03-2017 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 450 by Phat
11-02-2017 7:48 PM


Re: Try to understand the reality of "BELIEF"
What you do matters 1000% more than what you believe.

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Message 502 of 1540 (823162)
11-06-2017 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 501 by Faith
11-06-2017 3:46 PM


Re: The RCC is Anti-Christ but there are true Christians in it nevertheless
For starters, however, the very idea of a Pope or human head of the entire Church, is contrary to the whole spirit of Christianity. The very idea of a "vicar of Christ" is synonymous with Antichrist. Vicar is short for "vicarious" which means substitute, or occupying the place of Christ. That idea is Antichrist.
Not according to Jesus, Himself:
quote:
Matthew 16
17 Jesus replied, Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

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Message 506 of 1540 (823172)
11-06-2017 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by Faith
11-06-2017 4:07 PM


Re: The RCC is Anti-Christ but there are true Christians in it nevertheless
The foundation of the Church Christ built is not the man Peter but his testimony given by God the Father and not "by flesh and blood."
That's you assuming the conclusion, but whatever, Jesus gave the keys to Peter the man, not to his testimony. And then He said whatever you bind - not whatever your testimony binds.
The idea that Peter was ever a Pope is so ridiculous I don't know how you all keep on with it.
Apostolic succession - the Papacy can be traced all the way back to Peter, the first Pope.
Here's a list: List of popes - Wikipedia
It is utterly absurd that one Bishop just up and made himself head of the entire Church over all the other bishops of his day, and then made up a supposed lineage back to Peter. The whole thing is a monumental lie.
Nuh-uh, you're the one who's lying!

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Message 608 of 1540 (823586)
11-13-2017 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 466 by Faith
11-03-2017 5:36 PM


Re: One More Thing For The Record
GDR, the first rule of Bible understanding is to assume if it seems to be contradictory the fault is your own. I'm serious.
Wow. That pretty much let's the cat out of the bag.
Your first rule for understanding the Bible is that you cannot be honest with yourself.
That's gotta be the root of the tension.

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Message 613 of 1540 (823594)
11-13-2017 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 611 by Faith
11-13-2017 11:51 AM


Re: One More Thing For The Record
GDR, the first rule of Bible understanding is to assume if it seems to be contradictory the fault is your own. I'm serious.
Wow. That pretty much let's the cat out of the bag.
Your first rule for understanding the Bible is that you cannot be honest with yourself.
That's gotta be the root of the tension.
Not at all, it means the contradiction is a glitch of your fallen mind so that you falsely assess God's word.
You said that if it seems contradictory to you then the fault is your own. That's you not being honest with yourself.
If you were being honest with yourself, then you would admit that it seems contradictory and investigate it.
You denying your own thinking, and instead just assuming that the Bible is right and you are wrong, is you being dishonest with yourself.
That's gotta be a source of tension.

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Message 820 of 1540 (823984)
11-20-2017 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 819 by Tangle
11-20-2017 4:54 PM


Faith writes:
Blithering nonsense.
I understand that you don't like the information, but either ignore it or provide a rational response.
I read that as a description of their own post and not yours

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Message 1101 of 1540 (824960)
12-05-2017 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1100 by Tangle
12-05-2017 4:07 PM


Re: the nature of evidence
And anything that exists in our physical universe can be detected...
How do you know there aren't undetectable things in our physical universe?

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Message 1502 of 1540 (826910)
01-14-2018 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1501 by Stile
01-09-2018 10:10 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
The only people who get to decide if a statement is hateful or not are those who the statement is directed towards.
Definitely not the person declaring the statement.
Wait, wuuuuuut?
Hate is an emotion held by a person. Only you, yourself, know what emotions you're feeling.
Nobody but you can know if you really have hate or not.
Therefore, it's impossible for you to declare that you're not hating.
Oh, are you talking about, like, being a "hater"? Like, the colloquial term? Ya know, haters be hatin'.
Is that what you're talking about?
You may not be aware of any hatred that might be occurring... but you don't get to say there's no hatred in your own statement.
Hatred doesn't reside in statements, it resides in the heart. It's an emotion and it comes from your ego.
Then this statement becomes a selfish profession that only serves to hurt this stranger.
Then this statement begins to contain "hate."
Hmm, why the scare-quotes? What are you talking about, really?

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Message 1514 of 1540 (826961)
01-15-2018 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1503 by Tangle
01-14-2018 11:14 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
NCE writes:
Nobody but you can know if you really have hate or not.
Just as a point of information, English law can decide whether you hate or not
You sound like a good little subject
But that decision doesn't determine if you really have hate or not. As you go on to say:
quote:
The law has no interest what you think and feel, only what you say and do.

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Message 1518 of 1540 (826994)
01-15-2018 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1516 by Tangle
01-15-2018 12:31 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
If people only thought the words, the law not only doesn't care but can't care. The saying and doing is the outward evidence of the hate.
Still though: only you, yourself, know if you have hate or not.

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