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Topic: Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1055 of 1309 (742031)
11-16-2014 1:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 1054 by PaulK
11-16-2014 1:47 PM
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Yes I read it.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1059 of 1309 (742039)
11-16-2014 2:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 1054 by PaulK
11-16-2014 1:47 PM
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I don't believe Bergeron, he's a little too eager to celebrate "homoerotic desire" and anybody who "creatively" reinterprets a historical figure is suspect to me, as said in this article on Bergeron But the article goes on to comment that James' letters had been previously read as homoerotic but not with such approval:
King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire presents a modern-spelling edition of seventy-five letters exchanged between Buckingham and James. Across the centuries, commentators have condemned the letters as indecent or repulsive... However, homoerotic is one thing, actual homosexual activity is another.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1061 of 1309 (742041)
11-16-2014 2:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 1056 by PaulK
11-16-2014 1:55 PM
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Because it was said somewhere. And I've come to distrust everything written about the man that accuses him of homosexuality. But the contemporary claim didn't quite accuse him of homosexuality anyway, just of unseemly behavior..
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1062 of 1309 (742042)
11-16-2014 2:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 1060 by Tangle
11-16-2014 2:26 PM
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Re: Majority and Minority
I have NO clue how anything I said shows me to be "full of myself" but if that's how you read that post I decided to delete it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1065 of 1309 (742047)
11-16-2014 2:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 1063 by PaulK
11-16-2014 2:35 PM
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Where's the "evidence of homosexual relationship" in those letters?
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1066 of 1309 (742049)
11-16-2014 2:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 1063 by PaulK
11-16-2014 2:35 PM
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I didn't read it as evidence for homosexual relationship, just for homosexual desire.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1067 of 1309 (742050)
11-16-2014 2:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 1064 by jar
11-16-2014 2:38 PM
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Re: While you are in actually answering mode ...
It's a matter of personal conscience, as you well know, their having a right to their conscience. Not YOUR conscience, THEIR conscience.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1069 of 1309 (742053)
11-16-2014 2:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 1068 by PaulK
11-16-2014 2:45 PM
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OK, you win.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1072 of 1309 (742057)
11-16-2014 2:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 1071 by jar
11-16-2014 2:49 PM
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Re: While you are in actually answering mode ...
Supposedly we have freedom of conscience. You do not get to define somebody else's conscience.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1076 of 1309 (742061)
11-16-2014 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 1069 by Faith
11-16-2014 2:46 PM
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You SEEM to win anyway. Here's what is said about Stephen A. Coston who has written extensively to try to answer the claims of James' homosexuality, who calls today's historians revisionist and incompetent. If I ever read his books I'll let you know my final conclusion.
A surprising number of works exist about His Majesty King James VI of Scotland & I of England, some for James and some against. Yet a number of the ones against James, these works forged like swords from the minds of sex obsessed revisionist historians, pseudo historical authors who lack even the grammatical knowledge to understand the definitions of the terms King James used in his letters & works, pierce the minds of the unsuspecting causing a false image of this King. These modern authors for the most, part bang away at their typewriters and word processors rehashing the hateful & racist works of Anthony Weldon and his like against this just King. Stephen A. Coston SR. deposits into this so-called scholarly arena of defective swords and hammers generated of late by pseudo historians the Anvil Of Truth concerning King James VI & I. In this volume "King James VI & I And Papal Opposition" Coston dispels the myth held by some of King James being a crypto Catholic, and documents James' disputes with the Pope of Rome. Additional source materials from King James and his contemporaries are sited and quoted from in length & detail, works not previously included in Coston's book "King James VI & I Unjustly Accused". Coston also details the danger James and his subjects faced in opposing the mighty religious empire of Rome and its head the Pope.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1077 of 1309 (742062)
11-16-2014 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 1075 by Modulous
11-16-2014 2:58 PM
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Yes he would be guilty of that sin.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1080 of 1309 (742065)
11-16-2014 3:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 1079 by PaulK
11-16-2014 3:07 PM
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Is there any reason to believe that anybody is a reliable source at this point? The upshot of this discussion is that I do not believe anybody about any of it. There are vested interests on both sides.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1082 of 1309 (742067)
11-16-2014 3:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 1078 by PaulK
11-16-2014 2:59 PM
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Re: Second Reminder
I can only answer for Christians asked to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Anything that forces a person to act against their conscience is unconstitutional. I don't know about the other situations but I do know about this one. This is not like Woolworth's being able to open counter seats to blacks. This one is not going to yield because it is a matter of what the Bible says. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1083 of 1309 (742068)
11-16-2014 3:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 1081 by jar
11-16-2014 3:13 PM
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Re: Question Faith
You should be subject to admin discipline by now for harassment. You've been answered sufficiently many times.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1087 of 1309 (742073)
11-16-2014 3:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 1084 by PaulK
11-16-2014 3:27 PM
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You Re: Second Reminder
You do not get to define another person's conscience or understanding of the Bible./
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