What exactly is ID?

Drew, what on Earth are you talking about? Dr A's post was not about "world view". He presented you with a set of facts.The definitions of "creation" and "intelligent design" from Pandas and People are absolutely genuine.The title of Dumbski's book is genuine.The quote from Johnson is genuine. Here's another;

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If we understand our own times, we will know that we should affirm the reality of God by challenging the domination of materialism and naturalism in the world of the mind. With the assistance of many friends I have developed a strategy for doing this,...We call our strategy the "wedge".

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Where exactly does the oh-so-biased world-view come into it?You have been presented with a set of facts which clearly demonstrate the religious nature of the ID movement. It has been clearly described as a religious movement by it most prominent advocates, the very people who founded the movement.You have it straight from the horses' mouths. What else it there to say other than to admit that ID is a religious movement?Mutate and Survive

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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

Hi Drew, I agree. I wouldn't.Seriously, the only difference is that ID tries to play hide-the-Bible and present creationism as if it were science. Mostly, this is in a vain attempt to smuggle their creationist propaganda past the Establishment Clause of the US constitution and into the public schools. The purpose of ID is to promote Christian apologetics under the guise of science and at the expense of science. This is deeply dishonest, ignorant and dangerous. Sanctimonious bullshit. You go on to prove your command of philosophy by indulging in a meandering ramble about nothing in particular. You certainly don't touch upon the topic. I've tried long and hard to think of something funny to say in response to that. However, on reflection, I don't think that there's anything I could say that would make it any funnier than it is already.Mutate and Survive

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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

Hi Drew, No, humour is when you deliberately make people laugh. No it's not. So what do you do? You do this... If you accept that the Bible is not a science book, then you are wasting your time trying to shoehorn relativity into its pages, where it does not belong. Yup. ID is simply an institutionalised lie, designed to attack science and replace it with religious fundamentalism. They are lying to you dude. Oh, great. Could you do me a favour? Next time you use your vast psychic powers to look inside my mind and uncover my innermost fears, could you poke around and see if you can get me to remember where I left my black hat? I can't find that thing anywhere.Or, alternatively, you don't have psychic powers, you actually have no idea what my fears are and you are talking patronising rubbish, in which case, forget the hat thing.If you really want to know what I am afraid of with regards to ID, I am worried that a great many well meaning people such as yourself are going to be deceived by an inane and vacuous lie. I am worried that this lie will cause you to waste hundreds of hours of your life defending dishonest nonsense. I am worried that a great many children will have their education vandalised by liars and dupes. That is what I fear. Coyote has already put you right on this one. Behe was forced to admit on oath that his definition of science was broad enough to allow astrology alongside ID.For my part, I would like to note that Christianity is supposed to be incompatible with lying. In my judgement, this makes the ID lobby very bad Christians as well as bad scientists.Mutate and Survive

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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

I still fail to see how you interpret Creationism as being materialist. First, the word you are looking for is "materialist", not "materialistic", which means something else entirely.Second, I don't see how you can describe Creationists as materialists, when they typically believe in "the spirit of God" (as per Gen 1:2), the soul, Heaven, God's magical powers, the spiritual kingdom of Christ, etc. This is not materialism. I think perhaps you need to go and look the term up. I agree. They had no concept of modern science or its discoveries. That is why I say that attempting to interpret Genesis in light of such knowledge is foolish. So we are agreed that ID is poor theology and poor science. Great.Mutate and Survive

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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

Hi Buz,If you want a better view of the issues raised by the recurrent laryngeal nerve, there is a thread open on the topic. Perhaps you will be the first to explain why the RLN takes the peculiar route that it does.Mutate and SurviveAbE; Oops! Forgot to post a link; Unintelligent design (recurrent laryngeal nerve)Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given.