What exactly is ID?

I was hoping another moderator might step in, but it is the holiday season and I don't think the other moderators are around, and this is rather blatant and extreme, so I'm going to begin moderating this thread.This is from the Forum Guidelines:

10. Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.

Any rule 10 violations from you that appear after this post will bring a 24 hour suspension.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Smooth Operator,Hopefully you have seen Message 353. If not please give it a read.The goal of EvC Forum is productive, informative, on-topic discussion in a civil fashion. This is the last warning. After this point I'll be issuing 24 hour suspensions to those in this thread who seem to be working against this goal. Those who think they may have posted in violation should go back and edit any suspect messages before I see them.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

You're not the only offender, but to use my favorite analogy, the police do not usually pay much attention to drivers going 70, especially when there are others going 100.In metric: The police do not usually pay much attention to drivers going 110, especially when there are others going 160.This is not the Autobahn, so please maintain a reasonable level of conformance with the Forum Guidelines or your privileges for driving on this road might become endangered.Please, everyone, no replies.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Please, everyone, no more accusations of lying. They are personal and off-topic, and they require intimate knowledge of someone else that you are unlikely to have.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Detailed information about what Behe said about astrology during his testimony at the Dover trial can be found at: Specifically, this document beginning on page 38: The topic of astrology comes up while Behe is providing his own definition of theory: There's a lot more. Just trying to establish a factual basis for discussion.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Just in case there's any doubt, anyone who would like to discuss health care funding issues in the context of recent proposals from Washington should take them to another thread.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Dr Adequate,My goal in turning from participant to moderator was to counter generalization, obfuscation and evasion and return attention to the evidence and arguments. Contributions like this work against this goal: Next contribution like this will draw another suspension.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Please let moderators handle moderation issues. I already addressed this, please see Message 507.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Please, everyone, don't make personal comments, keep the focus on the topic.And about the topic, given the thread's history, information seems a legitimate topic here.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi everyone. I'm returning to moderation mode in this thread.I have to express my surprise at how rapidly the tenor of discussion deteriorated after Smooth Operator's return. I thought I was making it clear how I interpret and enforce the Forum Guidelines. If anyone can think of ways in which I could improve how well I communicate this message, please post to the Report discussion problems here: No.2 thread.In the meantime, I'm suspending Smooth Operator and Dr Adequate for 24 hours.To Smooth Operator and Dr Adequate: Please, you two, take what I've been saying to heart. If it isn't clear to you what I'm looking for then post questions to the Report discussion problems here: No.2 thread. If upon your return I don't see significant and obvious efforts to conform your behavior to moderator requests and the Forum Guidelines then the next suspension will be for a week.To everyone else: With regard to behavior, few participants are covering themselves with glory in their participation in this thread. When dealing with certain participation styles it takes an even greater effort to maintain self control and keep your attention focused on the topic, on your evidence, on your arguments. It makes it impossible for moderators to do their job when one or two participants drag everyone else into exhibiting bad form. Once that happens there's no way to tell who's responsible. Make each message you compose one you'll be proud of.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Smooth Operator,The posts in this thread tend to be lengthy making it difficult for a moderator to discern where he might best make a contribution, but I think it would help move the discussion forward if you would please provide a link to where you presented the calculations mentioned here: That should help clarify whether you're both thinking of the same calculations, and whether PaulK is asking you now for something different.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

It was responses similar to this that resulted in your recent suspension. If you're not going to make an effort to discuss constructively with Dr Adequate then do not reply to him, else your posting privileges will be temporarily suspended again. I'm treating Dr Adequate the same way.Please, no responses to moderator messages in this thread. Please take comments and concerns to Report discussion problems here: No.2.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I can't see any problems in the rendering of Message 573 in Chrome, IE or FF. Can you describe the problem you're seeing and tell me which browser you're using?

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi all!Years of discussion board experience tell me that the phrase, "I already explained that," can be a big red flag, because it is often the case that people who actually know, understand and can articulate their position will do so at the drop of a hat over and over again.The same experience tells me that general statements and unsupported assertions indicate a person who has much more in the way of opinion than knowledge of facts and an understanding of their relationships.Smooth Operator, I've already posted you a couple messages.Brad H, please provide links to or cut-n-pastes from the messages where you've "already given those examples [of CSI] several times." PaulK was looking for examples of "how to properly apply Dembski's method to living things." He already replied to your lengthy one-paragraph argument in Message 542. It reads like the outline of an interesting hypothesis, not a rigorous method for calculating CSI. If you don't use Dembski's method then simply show how to apply the method you do use.Sky, this thread is nearly up to 600 messages and is well past the point of just stating a position with no supporting evidence or argument.Everyone else: When those arguing for ID make a reasonable request then please try to fulfill it. For example, concerning Brad H's request for an example of a mutation that adds information to the genome, telling him to go look up nylon eating bacteria is not a satisfactory answer (to be fair, that answer was actually in another thread, but you get the idea).Sometimes these discussions remind of an old joke: I know some of us have been here a long time and have seen these arguments before, but you can't rebut an argument by just shouting out "28!"

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Sky,As I pointed out in Message 596, this is thread is past 600 messages, far past the time when it is appropriate to just state a position. Now you're replying to Message 1 as if the discussion were just beginning.I'm going to suspend you for 24 hours.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director