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Message 1255 of 1273 (626709)
07-31-2011 12:00 AM

Reply to: Message 1252 by Portillo
07-30-2011 11:05 PM

A simple question...

Portillo writes:

ID is the theory that things are intelligently designed. Like the computer your using or the car you drive didnt evolve on their own, but were specifically designed by an intelligence. That kind of theory is applied to life and the universe.

I have never seen this question answered - perhaps you will be able to answer it for me.

I have found an object in my garden - I do not recognise it.
How do I tell if it is designed?

i.e. If I wanted to know if it was poisonous, I could give a small amount to a rodent and see if it suffers any ill effects.
What would I need to look at (or measure or whatever) to decide if it is designed or not?

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Message 1259 of 1273 (626889)
07-31-2011 7:02 PM

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07-31-2011 9:47 AM

Re: A simple question...

IamJoseph writes:

ID says a car is not the result of a random set of accumulative occurences over infinite time, but the result of a car maker.

The object I found in my garden is not a car.
I would have recognised a car.

I asked: "How do I tell if it is designed?"
Please answer the question, if you can.

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Message 1267 of 1273 (628307)
08-08-2011 5:29 PM

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08-08-2011 4:31 PM

Re: Summary

jar writes:

Over 1200 posts and still no evidence of a definition, designer or model for Inept Design or Intelligent Design.

I even asked my "simple question" and only IamJoseph even tried to answer it.

IMHO: The complete refusal to even try and describe how ID works is indicative of intellectual dishonesty.

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Message 1272 of 1273 (628533)
08-10-2011 8:55 AM

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08-10-2011 5:54 AM

Re: Explanatory Filter for Design

William Dembski proposes three possibilities: law, chance or design.

I am having trouble understanding some of what he is saying, so perhaps you could expand his definitions?

1. Natural Law explains regularity: For the filter to eliminate regularity, one must establish that a multiplicity of possibilities is compatible with the given antecedent circumstance (recall that regularity admits only one possible consequence for a given antecedent circumstance); hence to eliminate regularity is to establish a multiplicity of possible consequences.

How do I "establish that a multiplicity of possibilities is compatible with the given antecedent circumstance"?

2. Chance explains real randomness: For law to explain an outcome there must only be a limited number of possible outcomes all predictable from the circumstances. These are events of high probability. If there are many possible different outcomes, then law cannot explain it.

How do I tell if there is "only a limited number of possible outcomes all predictable from the circumstances"?

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