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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Jews continue to deny that Jesus is the Messiah that God promised would decend from the seed of Abraham that would bless all the nations of the world (Gen 22:18). Peter declared this on the day pf Pentecost in Acts 2,
29 "Brethren , I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.30 "And so, because he was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE, 31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY. 32 "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. 33 "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. 34 "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says : 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, 35 UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET."' 36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ -this Jesus whom you crucified." Deny if you will that Jesus was crucified on a cross, was resurrected, and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. But the fulfilled prophesy ofActs 2:34-35 was prophesied in Psa 110:1. Psa 2 describes what is taking place today until Messiah Jesus returns, 1 Why are the nations in an uproar And the peoples devising a vain thing ?2 The kings of the earth take their stand And the rulers take counsel together Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying, 3 "Let us tear their fetters apart And cast away their cords from us!" 4 He who sits in the heavens laughs, The Lord scoffs at them. 5 Then He will speak to them in His anger And terrify them in His fury, saying, 6 "But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain." 7 "I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD : He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. 8 'Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession. 9 'You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware .' " 10 Now therefore, O kings, show discernment ; Take warning, O judges of the earth. 11 Worship the LORD with reverence And rejoice with trembling. 12 Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him! Jews began to take refuge in their Messiah 2000 years ago (Acts 2:41), and will do so again as a nation when the prophesy of Acts 3:19-21 is fulfilled. 19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord ;20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. NOW IS THE TIME for this prophesy to come to pass. Will you Brian be one that takes refuge in your Messiah? Blessings
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
What you think is "circular reasoning" will come to an end when Jesus returns according to Acts 1:11,
They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky ? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." Then you will see that the prophetic word of the Bible is God's truth. Blessings Edited by John 10:10, : revised last sentence
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
As I explained to you, the bloodlines of the Christian/Jewish faith go back to God's promise to Abraham in Gen 22:18, not just to God's promises to David.
Paul explains how this was fulfilled in Messiah Jesus in Gal 3, 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations : even though it is only a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this : the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise ; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. 19 Why the Law then ? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God ? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female ; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise. You can split hairs if you want concerning whether or not Jesus descended from the bloodline of David. The geneologies of Matt 1 and Luke 3 show that Jesus did. After the temple records were destroyed in 70 AD, no one since then can prove they are descended from David if they say they are the promised Messiah. So valid proof that the Christian/Jewish Messiah descended from David says that the promised Messiah came before 70 AD. Maybe you should try to answer this question Jesus put to the Pharisees in Matt 22? 41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question :42 "What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?" They said to Him, "The son of David." 43 He said to them, "Then how does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying, 44 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET "'? 45 "If David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his son ?" 46 No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question. The problem Jews have had for 2000 years is in not understanding how the prophetic prophesies concerning the Messiah required two different comings, first to redeem man from his sins through His death on the cross, then to set up His kingdom on earth. Blessings
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
You may not believe the Lord Jesus will set up His "earthly kingdom" when He returns, but Zech 14:9 says differently:
"And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one."
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Why not ask those who believe in Judaism to explain Judaism from some other source other than the Torah and the Old Testament writings?
Yes, the New Testament will always be used to show how God has fulfilled most of the promises/prophesies He made in the Old Testament, and those that are yet to be fulfilled.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Excuse me. I thought you were serious about wanting to know what God says in His Old & New Testament message to those He is drawing to Himself. Since you are not, you may disreguard the Bible as being relevant for you.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
I will give you one more prophesy concerning Jesus in Acts 3. When you see the Jewish people turning as nation to Jesus as their Messiah, then you can be assured the Lord's 2nd coming is very near.
18 "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord ; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. 22 "Moses said, 'THE LORD GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN ; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED to everything He says to you. 23 'And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.' 24 "And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days. 25 "It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, 'AND IN YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.' 26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways." Edited by John 10:10, : spelling error
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3247 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
I will give you one more prophesy concerning Jesus in Acts 3. When you see the Jewish people turning as nation to Jesus as their Messiah, then you can be assured the Lord's 2nd coming is very near.
Messiah Jesus who entered into the world He created 2000 years ago, provided the way of salvation for all that He is drawing to Himself (Acts 2:39), then ascended to His throne in heaven (Acts 2:33), this Lord Jesus will come again as He said He would (John 14:3). Here's the problem. 2nd Jesus ALREADY came and went. When you see the Jewish people turning as nation to Jesus as their Messiah, then you can be assured the Lord's 2nd coming is very near. Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.
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