Too much moderation on these boards?

This goes back to the Jar statement: I was looking at this statement as pertaining specificly to the creationism/evolution debate. It was not pertaining to such debate. The specific issue has already been much discussed by others, and I have nothing to add.I did make the previous statement: The agreement I was thinking about is that relevant specificly to the creationism/evolution debate. I do think that many of the creationism side are indeed "handicapped and unable act differently" in that they have a major disconnection with the world of science. For a scientificly oriented creationism/evolution debate to happen, the moderation efforts must be tolerant in regards to to this situation.Adminnemooseus

Thank you moose. Indeed I do believe that to be the case. I believe that there is a lack of agreement at very basic levels, for example on what constitutes evidence, that places a distinct handicap on Biblical Creationists. This extends to understanding what Science is, how it works, what a theory is and a whole host of other issues.I have constantly and consistently supported allowing the very greatest latitude to all members so that they can present their best defense of their position.

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As I am sure the other side feels exactly as you do in reverse...

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It matters not what the other side feels is the case, randman.It matters what can be shown to be the material difference in the way the two sorts of camps operate.It is a fact that there is a greater diversity of thought allowed here compared to YEC boards.It is a fact that there is no censorship, editing, banning of members, nor deletion of posts here for no other reason than the moderators do not agree with the views of the poster, as is frequently the case on YEC boards.I have never found a YEC board which actively recruits and allows equal and active participation by evolutionist moderators.

Not interested in arguing with you shraf. My reference to "feel" really was simply trying to be nice and point to human nature's approach to bias. Just about every non evo here thinks the exact opposite can be shown than what you "feel" is the case.On the YEC boards I have visited, for example, I think the moderation has been more evenhanded than here, but what's the point of arguing with you over it.

Please give us links to those sites. I, and I strongly suspect the other admins, are interested in how creationism/evolution debates get moderated elsewhere.Adminnemooseus{Added by edit: I have just "bumped" the Links to other Evolution/Creation debate site topic, and added my list of forum sites there. - Minnemooseus}Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Changed ID.Edited by Minnemooseus, : See above.

Indeed, I would be very interested in joining a YEC board that is even more fair and even better moderated than this one.Which sites are those, randman?

I share everyone else's interest. Please provide links to those sites so we can cease our flimsy attempts at balance and shut down.

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A weak response Adminmoose. Very weak.But sufficient to squeeze by - just.

The name of this site in shorthand is EvC. Not Evc. In the cut and thrust, your last comment is probably fine - were it in personal mode. But there is a larger picure at stake here and some of it has to do with statements by some amongst some of the admin team which strongly imply (although if followed up, no doubt it could be weaseled away from) that Evc would be a better title.It must be bloody tough to navigate the white line down the middle but in the measure that is done - especially by yourself - the better the site is for it. And that you cruise in personal mode most definitely on one side of the line makes your position in Admin mode all the more difficult. But it was you that choose to get this gig going.There are appalling creationist sites out there - no dbout about it. But it might be an idea to ask how it was they got to be that way. For if that were done it may be possible to avoid EvC becoming Evc.Anyone can maintain a biased site. Its the unbiased that makes a site special

Your question as to how that got that way is an important one but for starters I'd just like to be refered to a not appalling creationist site.We might learn about balance by comparing EvC (with an excess of evo mods) and a not appalling site with a excess of creo mods. I've only seen a few creo sites and not seen one with any evenhandedness at all.randman seems to think he knows of some, do you?

How would you know an evenhanded crevo site if it bit you on the arse? It is not possible for you to find such a beast per definition. For the basis of "reasonableness" depends on your worldview

I have searched on various terms and could not find the relevant posts. I found some roughly in the ballpark but not the best ones so I don't see any point in posting them. I really thought my paraphrases would be recognized by you, since they seem to me to be very representative of your point of view. If not, I apologize and withdraw my statements.By the way, there is a bug in the Search feature, unless it's just another AOL problem. I put the word "martyr" in plus "Faith" to see where that might have come up in the past, though I'm not sureI used that term in the discussion in question. I got a find, one post, but it didn't have the word "martyr" in it. This happens a lot when I use Search. I may get one or two that do have the term I'm searching for, plus a long list of posts that don't have it.

Of course from my side I'm answering contentious comments. Actually, I believe jar's position is unique, despite the many who are on his side. I also thought I was characterizing jar's point of view in a recognizable way and am surprised that my paraphrase didn't ring any bells. But be that as it may, I shall be more careful in future.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No it isn't. It's very easy.This board tolerates pretty much anyone who attempts to be civil.Atheist evolutionists are simply not tolerated on any creationist board I have ever seen. Period.On this board literal young earth creationists are obviously tolerated and given pretty much free reign outside of the science forums.How many of those of us who accept evolution would be tolerated on a creo board?I know I wouldn't and haven't been. Jar told me he has been banned from tons of christian boards.There is of course a reason for all this. You don't have to slience your opposition when all the facts are on your side..... Which is the same reason creo boards don't tolerate opposing viewpoints. You can't do that when yours is so weak

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How would you know an evenhanded crevo site if it bit you on the arse?

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For starters, it would not censor, edit or delete posts for content.It would actively recruit, and treat as equals, evo moderators.It would have a set of forum guidelines in which good debate practices were encouraged.