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Percy
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Message 76 of 201 (318024)
06-05-2006 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by iano
06-05-2006 4:34 PM


Re: appalling and not
iano writes:
How would you know an evenhanded crevo site if it bit you on the arse? It is not possible for you to find such a beast per definition. For the basis of "reasonableness" depends on your worldview
Unless you are claiming immunity for creationists from this malady, it would be equally valid to argu that creationists cannot recognize evenhanded evo sites. If your argument is correct, you could be at an evenhanded evo site right now and not be aware of it because of your worldview.
But your argument is wrong. In reality, while not always the case, bias can be very easy to detect. I refer you back to Message 20 and Message 21 about the Evolution Fairytale site - it is obviously biased just from its overt statements.
Bias here at EvC Forum is much more subtle, and perhaps should not even be called bias. This is a science site, and many creationists find themselves at a disadvantage here because they are experts in faith and not science.
There are some creationists who are very familiar with science, for example True Creation and Tranquility Base, but they suffer a similar disadvantage because they practice a backwards form of science where the conclusions are reached first and only then is the evidence sought. That their views are wrong is obvious from the fact that their views conflict, but they were discerning enough to avoid debating each other.
If you want to see bias then just give me the name of any creationist run bulletin board and I'll post text from Faith's and Randman's posts under my own name (slightly edited to fit context) and get banned in no seconds flat. Safe bet, I think.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 87 of 201 (318065)
06-05-2006 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by iano
06-05-2006 5:33 PM


Re: appalling and not
iano writes:
This is a science site
Not to cherry pick your comments, but this one that sits at at the centre of your post. And it is wrong! EvC is not predominantly a science site. It is a Worldview site.
Uh, yeah, right. And students learn about physics and biology and chemisty in Worldview class, and they go to university to get Bachelor of Worldview degrees, and creationism tries to get taught in Worldview class by claiming to be Worldview and not religion.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 107 of 201 (318159)
06-05-2006 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by iano
06-05-2006 6:48 PM


Re: appalling and not
iano writes:
And students learn about physics and biology and chemisty...
What they learn INFORMS their worldview. The question arises if what they are being taught should be taught.
They're being taught physics and chemistry and biology, so placing these nouns into your question, you're asking if physics and chemistry and biology should be taught as part of high school and university science programs. I think few people would give such questions serious consideration.
iano writes:
What you seem to imply by your logic (and my 20 minute suspension) is that one particular way of being taught usurps another.
I think you're seeing implications that aren't there. EvC Forum is a science site. Science is not a primary area of interest for many conservative Christians, and so they are at a disadvantage here. It isn't that EvC Forum is a Worldview site, which was your claim, but that you see science itself as a worldview rather than just a method for learning how our universe works.
Your suspension was, as I described in the text accompanying your suspension, to protect you from yourself. When I saw you posting one little brief post after another, and calling CK a grunt, and going off-topic, and arguing small points, I thought a short cooling off period would keep you from going over the top and having to take a longer vacation.
This is all getting off the point, which is; "Does Admin have a two-tier system and if so, to which issues (if not all) does it apply"
You have to ask? Would evolutionists who behaved like Faith and Randman still be here? Ask evolutionist SLPx? He got suspended so often he quit coming here. Ask evolutionist Budikka? He was suspended permanently three years ago, and we only restored his permissions with the dBoard 2.0 release a few weeks ago.
So yes, there's a double standard. Because of their faith-based focus creationists face significant challenges at a science site that has many scientist and science-centric members, and so they are provided greater leeway regarding the Forum Guidelines.
--Percy

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