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Topic: Too much moderation on these boards?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 25 of 201 (317220)
06-03-2006 2:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by iano
06-03-2006 1:48 PM
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Re: Mirror mirror on the wall
I'm a creationist and I don't go around viciously abusing people and breaking all forum guidelines - including the ad hom implied by your painting all creationists with the same brush I'm sorry but I have never seen anyone except the fundamentalist Christians suggest that those who disagree with them should be shot. Such behavior is in my experience to be expected from fundamentalists aand evangelicals whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or any other stripe. We tolerate and allow them to behave in that fashion where we would not accept such behavior from Atheists, "evos", Agnostics or any other grownups because we realize that they are handicapped and unable act differently.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 28 of 201 (317233)
06-03-2006 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 27 by iano
06-03-2006 2:29 PM
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Re: Mirror mirror on the wall
If a mod should object to what I say, they have the capability to sanction my behavior. However, I was simply pointing out to you why it is we hold members such as yourself to lower standards of behavior than others. I have not and would not suggest that someone who says they are a Christian is not one. You have. I have not and would not suggest that you not be allowed to support your position to the best of your ability. Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians here at EvC have petitioned that I not be allowed to post on Faith & Belief. I have not and will not suggest that someone should be taken out and shot. You have. I believe that it is essential that you and others who believe as you do be allowed to post your messages.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 32 of 201 (317266)
06-03-2006 4:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
06-03-2006 2:46 PM
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Re: Mirror mirror on the wall
Ah, I describe a general garment and you and iano claim it was cut to fit you.
Faith writes: Na, when jar does it, as he does in his answer to you, where he commits many more violations of the rules as well, they aren't REALLY violations, because they are TRUE. Didn't you know that? Let a creationist claim the same, however, and it doesn't fly. You Faith have been one of the primary beneficiaries of the lax standard that Biblical Creationists are held to here at EvC. You constantly and continually attack individual members personally, and are allowed to get away with it. For example, in Message 97 you say:
Faith writes: Perhaps you aren't familiar with jar's anti-Christian pro-Islam opinions. When that assertion is politely challenged in Message 98...
jar writes: Please show where I have been anti-Christian or retract that allegation and apologize. I have constantly said that I am a Christian, that it is a beautiful religion, and that what I oppose is the perversion of Christianity in the messages of the Fundamentalists and Christian Right. As to Islam, all I have ever said is that those same Christians that pervert the Christian message also pervert the message of Islam. Further I have supported that position with direct references to the Qur'an IN CONTEXT as opposed to the quotemining done by those who misrepresent Islam. ... instead of supporting your misrepresentation of my personal position, you respond not by providing evidence in support but by continuing your personal attack on me and asserting that I am not a Christian.
Faith writes: You slam the true Christians jar, in extremely nasty terms, so you get no apologies from me for telling the truth that you aren't a Christian. Your calling yourself a Christian doesn't impress me any more than the beliefs of Bible Christians impress you. Yours is the perversion of Christianity. We can keep this up all day you know. And your MO, o great Admin jar yet, is slander of your opponents, though you have never been suspended for it or chided in any way for it. How you got this pass for violating every forum guideline I can only guess. Edit: You are the worst offender when it comes to giving unsupported opinions on this board too, while being the loudest at condemning it in others, who offend far less than you do in that regard. from Message 99. Instead of supporting your assertions and misrepresentation of my position, you resort to whining and crying about how you have been smeared. You also make yet another factual error as I have been suspended and sanctioned. Further you conflate my position as an Admin here with what I post as a regular member even though you were recruited as an Admin here and refused to act as one. I ask you, how is pointing out that YOU Faith misrepresent my position and what I have said here at EvC smearing you? Once more Faith you are showing support for my assertion. I honestly think that you believe the personal attacks you and iano and other fundamentalists make, even though they cannot be supported, even though they are false, even though they are unwarranted. Because we understand that you are not capable of any other behavior, we allow such flagrant violations to continue, solely to allow you the greatest possible opportunity to make your best argument for your position.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 39 of 201 (317541)
06-04-2006 9:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 38 by iano
06-04-2006 8:12 AM
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Re: Whats good for the goose isn't for the gander?
I can only speak for myself, other Admins can speak for themselves. I have constantly said when talking with other Admins that every member here should be allowed to present their best case possible in support of their position. In addition I have spoken out against longer term suspensions or bannings in all but the most extreme cases (spammers get banned immediately though with no recourse). This includes special treatement for many members, specifically including you. I am responding to you as jar and not AdminJar for a reason. Your personal attack was on the user jar. In Message 102 you said that I should be shot. You said that I am not a Christian. You claimed that "Smear: Jars bread and butter". That My post was in response to a simple request that Faith either backup her assertions of my position, or withdraw the assertion. That Your post is a personal attack on another member. There are no two ways to look at it. BUT, you were not suspended for your behavior. All that happened was a mild rebuke that was general in nature and not even addressed specifically to you but only a response to your message. TTBOMK, no member here at EvC other than yourself has ever been allowed to suggest that another member should be shot and not banned permanently. I did ask several Admins not to take action, and I will explain why. I believe that you were sincere in that post. I believe that is really what you think. It was without a doubt one of the clearest examples of the mentality of the average Fudie/Evangelical Christian I have ever seen. And I think it is important that it be out there for all the world to see, so that they understand the threat presented by people who could hold and express such views. It is so important, IMHO that it is reproduced here in it's entirety.
iano writes: It is my sincere hope that they do Jar. Your smear tactics are there for all to see. I might as well row in with something that I am fairly certain I have refrained from doing before now. Whatever the position of my opponants who claim to be Christians, I would never dream of suggesting that they are not: for I do not know for sure and must accept that diversity of opinion exists and that knowledge of the Bible does not a Christian make. People can get the wrong end of the stick, including me, and still be Christians. But for the sake of 'the reader' who you so frequently suppose queue up to watch our shenanigans, I feel in your case I must make an exception. The purpose is not to offend or hurt but to make it quiet clear to others what it is you are doing. You are not in any way shape or form a Christian. Others oppose the gospel from without. They go to battle wearing the markings of the opposition and stand in position where one can expect an honourable enemy to stand. And in so far that there is honesty and honour in that I commend them. But you are fighting behind enemy lines. You don the uniform of your Christian enemy and seek to wreak havoc from within the enemies camp. Such people, when found, are taken out and shot for the dishonourable way they chose to fight. BANG. Read this, everyone. This is the heart of the Fundamental/Evangelical Christian. Edited by jar, : Change "that" to (your/my) post for clarity.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 38 by iano, posted 06-04-2006 8:12 AM | | iano has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: two wrongs
You are right, I should probably not say that they are mentally handicapped (although I do believe I have only said they are handicapped, not that they are mentally handicapped) and will try to refrain from portraying them as such in the future.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 49 of 201 (317682)
06-04-2006 5:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Faith
06-04-2006 5:29 PM
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Admins, Faith once again misrepresents my position.
PaulK asks
Do you really believe that "annoyance" is a "good cause" for terrorism ? to which Faith asserts
faith writes: I believe that is jar's implication, not mine. Faith, once again. Either provide direct quotes where I have said or even implied that annoyance is a cause for terrorism or where I have EVER justified terrorism, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim or of ANY nature, or retract your assertion and misrepresentation of my position. And then I expect your NEXT post anywhere on EvC to be an apology.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 48 by Faith, posted 06-04-2006 5:29 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 52 by Faith, posted 06-04-2006 6:35 PM | | jar has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 53 of 201 (317710)
06-04-2006 6:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
06-04-2006 6:35 PM
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Admin Buz, or any other Admin you needed here.
Still absolutely no supporting quotes from me and a whole herd more Inaccurate assertions.
The very title of your thread says it, jar, especially coming as it did right after a discussion about Islam in which you disagree about Islam's naturally aggressive nature and vilify those who see its source in their beliefs. Obviously you are looking for historical causes of their terrorism, what else? They have no way to make legitimate war right now, so this is how they express themselves, these are the violent acts that we have been saying come out of their ideology and need no historical justification. Let me hasten to add that I'm sure there is SOME element of historical provocation TOO, but it is unnecessary. Conquering the world for Allah is their mandate. Please show where I have justified terrorism.
Your record of negative comments against the West and against fundamental Christianity, your insistence that Allah is the same God as Christianity's, and your calling the beliefs of Bible Christians "bigotry" and "wilful ignorance" and calling God according to our view a "pimp daddy" and your laughing at those Christians who have died for the cause of Christ over the years, as having a false view of God, and your denouncing Christian history as peculiarly evil, the Crusades and so on, and much much more, certainly suggest that you are looking for some way to prove that the West is evil and Islam is good, AGAIN. Why not? It's your usual line. If you don't want to give that impression, CHANGE THE TITLE OF YOUR THREAD. Please show where I have laughed at Christians who have died for the cause. Please show where I have denounced Christianity as pecularly evil. Faith, please actually back up some of the things you claim I have said.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 52 by Faith, posted 06-04-2006 6:35 PM | | Faith has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: The item on contention was in an area other than what I was thinking about
Thank you moose. Indeed I do believe that to be the case. I believe that there is a lack of agreement at very basic levels, for example on what constitutes evidence, that places a distinct handicap on Biblical Creationists. This extends to understanding what Science is, how it works, what a theory is and a whole host of other issues. I have constantly and consistently supported allowing the very greatest latitude to all members so that they can present their best defense of their position.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 102 of 201 (318141)
06-05-2006 9:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 100 by iano
06-05-2006 8:59 PM
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Re: appalling and not
Again, I can only speak for myself, not the other mods. When it comes to content we allow the Biblical Creationis lots of slack because they do not seem to have the basics needed. BUT.... we also allow extreme tolerance of their behavior.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 100 by iano, posted 06-05-2006 8:59 PM | | iano has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 103 by iano, posted 06-05-2006 9:29 PM | | jar has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 104 of 201 (318154)
06-05-2006 9:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by iano
06-05-2006 9:29 PM
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Re: appalling and not
There is no case iano. LOL I said I can only speak for myself. So if you see me use we it is the Imperial We.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 111 of 201 (318185)
06-06-2006 12:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 110 by ringo
06-06-2006 12:23 AM
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just a thanks
I for one read and learn from almost every one of your posts. So keep on trucking.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 171 of 201 (319269)
06-08-2006 8:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 170 by iano
06-08-2006 8:02 PM
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Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Expose them to all of the possibilities.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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