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Perdition
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Message 56 of 148 (510585)
06-01-2009 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by onifre
06-01-2009 2:05 PM


So Bush, Cheney and Rice lied...Why?
To try and hide the fact that they were woefully unprepared for such a scenario. If they knew about the possibility, and indeed, had learned that it was perhaps imminent and did nothing, they could be liable at least in public opinion, if not in any criminal sense.
The Bush/Cheney administration was very good at never, ever saying they had done something wrong. They never admitted mistakes or siad, "my bad." This is just another example of them not wanting to take responsibility, not necessarily because there was anything to cover up in the conspiracy theorist way, but they did want to cover up the fact that they screwed up.
If they then took what literally fell in their laps and try to turn it to their advantage, then they only did what others with an extreme agenda would do.

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Perdition
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Message 59 of 148 (510609)
06-01-2009 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by onifre
06-01-2009 5:18 PM


I accept this as a viable reason, but you may be wrong and an investigation would expose the truth...can you agree with that?
An investigation may not uncover anything if the evidence is destroyed. You're positing that untold multitudes of people have agreed to deceive everyone, have been able to consistently keep their mouths shut, and never felt a pang of conscience after having one too many drinks, etc... If they could have that much self-control (or perhaps some sort of external control such as balckmail, etc) what makes you think they would all of a sudden change their tune simply because they were asked again?
An investigation would also cost money, which is a bit in short supply at the moment, and utilize resources that could be better used to uncover the truth behind the Iraq War, torture, and secret rendition, all of which we know happened, and at least some of which we know is criminal.

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Perdition
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Message 61 of 148 (510614)
06-01-2009 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by onifre
06-01-2009 6:06 PM


But so are you, and GM, and anyone else who agrees that there exists a cover-up.
I'm positing an attempted cover-up that has failed. The memo saying "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US" was found, and Condi Rice admitted knowing about it, but still stonewalled any attempt to place blame. The Bush Administration's "cover-ups" were merely the same type of thing employed by fundamentalists and children...if you don't acknowledge your responsibility, then you're not responsible.
I don't know what evidence you guys are using to simply say "no there isn't, it's just them not wanting to look bad."
I'm using the Bush Administration's record. Whenever Bush was asked about mistakes, he never gave an answer. When he was presented with a mistake, he tried to deflect blame or would assert that it wasn't a mistake. At the end, all he would say is that historians would judge and that he couldn't spend his time looking to the past. That was his (and the entire admin's) M.O.
If they were subpoenas then they could obtain these transcripts and examine them towards clarifying the actual sequence of events and command structures for both: the pre-scheduled wargames and the defense response to the unfolding attacks. Also, to Bush and Cheney's testimony to the 911 Commision.
What makes you think there are transcripts? The 9/11 Commission's questioning of Bush/Cheney was not conducted under oath. What makes you think, if there were a conspiracy that Bush and Cheney knew about, they would have told the commission? If they did tell the truth, you're now expanding the conspiracy to include every memeber of that commission, Republican and Democrat alike, who were tasked with finding the truth now deciding to lie and keep their mouths shut.
Investigating this matter would not cost anymore than any other investigation. I can't believe the public wouldn't want to know these facts as they really happened. Not only that, Bush/Cheney's cover-up would send their asses to jail, that would be awesome to see!
We can't simply brush this kind of matter under the table, in my oinion. The public has the right to know, if not, what good are we as citizens if we can't demand that the government comes clean with their actions? If you turn your face to this, then turn your face to all of it, and don't pick and choose. Either it must all be exposed or none of it gets exposed - and we stay blind to their actions.
It has been investigated and the vast majority of the public is content with the findings of that investigation. It would be more productive to investigae things we know happened, such as torture, the lead up to the war, and things, rather than some vague conspiracy of which there is little evidence and of that, most is debunked.

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