9-11 Conspiracy

I Want to get other peoples thoughts on the 9-11 conspiracy.
I am somewhat neutral but lean a little bit towards the conspiracy theory.

What exactly is it that you are leaning toward?I've seen many different claims made by various conspiracy theorists, everything from incompetence on the part of the government all the way to actually claiming that the government was behind it all and islamic terrorists had nothing to do with it.What precisely is it that you think?

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

I don't consider 'incompetence' to be a conspiracy.

Nor do I, but it's among the claims that various conspiracy theorists make when talking about 9/11. I'm not particularly interested in debunking every possible conspiracy claim, so I'm trying to find out exactly what it is that Banjo has in mind.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

I am leaning more toward's the government having something to do with it.one thing is, within minutes of whatever hit the Pentegon hitting it, officials showed up at a gas station across the street and confiscated Security camera footage from the station.And look at pictures, Where is the debris from the airplane that hit it?Edited by BanjoBlazer, : No reason given.

What's your basis for thinking that "officials" showed up at a gas station across the street and confiscated security camera footage from the station?What "officials" do you believe these were?I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but I've had many conversations with conspiracy theorists in which they've been very vague about their claims and their support for their claims. In my experience, this vagueness usually inhibits rational discourse, so I'm trying to get a clearer handle on what you think and why.As far as the plane debris question goes, there actually was debris photographed on the grass outside the Pentagon. Here's one picture.The next question I usually get after posting this picture is why there isn't more debris.An airplane crashed squarely into a thick concrete building. How much would you expect to see? What's the basis for expecting to see more than there is?

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

9/11 Conspiracy Theories Debunking | World Trade Center Myths take a look at the picture of the airplane debris, is that all the evidence they give for it being an airplane???

Why would you expect to see more?What's the basis for that expectation?

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

That is the picture I was just referring to, but is that all the proof they give? Where are the seats? Lugauge? or even other scrap metal?

Besides the looking at the pictures, did you read this: What possible explanation do you have for this if it wasn't a plane?

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Here is a whole website devoted to debunking the 9/11 conspiracy theories: Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy theories and Controlled Demolition Myths

Look At pictures from other airplane wrecks, and how could even an experianced pilot fly a jumbojet 6-10 feet off the ground flying at a minimum speed of 300 MPH

You are espousing 9/11 conspiracy theories and on another thread you are poking at evolution.Just to save us time, what else do you believe in? Select as many as needed from the following list:

Bunker Bomb? Missile?

Find me another picture of an airplane wreck where the plane flew full speed into a concrete building that's been reinforced to the same degree that the Pentagon has.This was a unique event. The fact that other crashes in completely different circumstances left more debris is irrelevant.What's your expertise in airplane crash reconstruction? Unless you have some, your expectations about the amount of debris that should be there are worthless.As far as the question about how the pilot could have done that, I'm afraid that answer died with the pilot. But let me ask you this question: if there really was a serious question about whether a plane crashed into the Pentagon, don't you think that the media would be all over that? It would be the biggest news story in the history of the world. How can you possibly explain every major news organization in the world ignoring it?And, if it wasn't a plane, what happened to all the people who were supposed to have been on the plane? Where did they go? One of the passengers on the plane was Barbara Olson, wife of Solicitor General Ted Olson. Do you seriously think he wouldn't make a lot of noise if he thought his wife didn't die on that plane?There's no doubt that there are many unusual facts about events that day that might cause people to speculate. However, it's important to remember that if you're going to fashion a conspiracy theory to explain the oddities, it better not raise more questions that are even more difficult to answer than the oddities you're trying to explain.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat