9-11 Conspiracy

Hello again Oni, Osama Bin Laden (OBL) did not, and does not live in a cave (assuming he still alive). You must realize that we are discussing an individual that is a Saudi royal family member. He is a billionaire in his own right.This coupled with the fact that OBL has created a reputation for himself over the last several decades among Muslim fundamentalists gives him great influence and power. He has been known as charismatic and intelligent leader, who prefers to live the lifestyle no different than his soldiers.Al-Qaeda is a huge network that extends from China all the way to Northern Africa. The network has millions of members that are dedicated to the cause to such extreme that they are willing to sacrifice their lives.So in essence, the statement you have made (and you aren't the only one I have seen make such a statement) is ludicrous, as it paints a completely false picture of what the Al-Qaeda network really was and is capable of.I don't really have anything to say about any of your other points, as I am hardly an expert on those matters.

You are quite correct in this observation. No argument here. This is correct as well. Being here I see the truth of your last statement with my own eyes.The majority of the people we are fighting in this valley, and the neighboring valley (Korengal Valley) are actually villagers whose occupations were displaced when the United States pressured the Afghanistan Government into heavily taxing and regulating the logging industry.The vast majority of the people in the Pech and Korengal Valleys were dependent upon logging as it was a vast majority of their exported goods. Not only that, but one of our outposts was actually built on top of a logging mill (which was destroyed).If these things were to happen to me in my own homeland, I would definitely be fighting as well, for free. Never mind if a Taliban or Al-Qaeda member came up to me and offered to pay me to fight them. As we all rightly should do. The fact of the matter though is that the local villagers know about what happened, and it made Osama Bin Laden a hero over-night. I mean, we are talking about the same individual that you said yourself is famous because: Please do bear in mind that you are discussing this matter with an individual who experiences all these things you have mentioned first hand, and from the horse's mouth. Well, as I qualified with my previous statement, my knowledge based on first hand experience. I am curious as to what first hand sources have you acquired your information? I am really curious as to whether this is really the Bush Administration lying, or a demonstration of their ignorance in general. To me it would seem more likely that these are demonstrations of ignorance given the massive amount of examples of the incompetence of the administration. I appreciate that you did make that concession here: This "could be more" is pretty much meaningless unless you have solid evidence demonstrating:
A) The Bush Administration actually had a foreknowledge of the contradictory information.
B) The Bush Administration had the intention of distributing such a lie.Part A is fairly difficult to show, as we have no means of knowing what Dubya knew at the time. We do know what he should have known, but this doesn't mean he or his administration knew it.Take care.Edited by Michamus, : typos

Hi GM,I'm not sure, but I think this is my first response to you, so this should be interesting. As you wisely should. I do find your next statement interesting though: Viewed unanimously by whom? This statement is quite vague, unless you are actually trying to make the claim that nearly every human being on this planet views OBL this way. If this is what you are claiming, then you are sadly mistaken. OBL is a Muslim who dares to stand against the west.This view is held by many Muslims as admirable. The vast majority of Muslims here in Afghanistan simply want us to leave them alone. They want us out of their country, and OBL and the Taliban facilitate that desire. As I was told by a Pashtun Commander; "The Afghan people are a proud people." Firstly, to put it bluntly, your opinion is worthless in this matter as:
A) You don't really know anything about OBL.
B) You don't really know anything about how OBL is viewed by his subordinates.
C) You don't really know anything about how the local populations in the middle east and Southwest Asia view OBL.So, how does the average Al-Qaeda member view OBL is the question.OBL is known to view himself as a soldier that has not provided himself any more comfortable accommodations, or food than any of his soldiers. He is actively involved in training camps and their operation. He is viewed as a patriarch within the network, that is tantamount to it's survival.The average local national views OBL as a respectable Muslim that is executing that which they themselves desire. They are willing to facilitate Al-Qaeda and Taliban members in the provision of housing and food. This is correct. I would be more confident in the Saudi Gov't facilitating AL-Qaeda, seeing as OBL is a Saudi Royal Family Member.I pretty much can see your argument for the rest of your post, I just felt the need to clarify some misconceptions on OBL and Al-Qaeda. Like I said to Onifre, I am hardly an expert on the rest of the 9/11 facts.I kind of view the whole thing as being a huge display of the idiocy of the Bush Administration. I would definitely say that terrorists actually hijacked planes, that smashed into the WTC towers and the Pentagon. I would also say their collision is the direct cause of the tower collapse, and that neither of the towers came EVEN CLOSE to free fall speed upon collapse.I would also say that Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in the planning and execution of this plan, and that his taking credit for the attack (as well as other sources which I won't divulge) is evidence of this.The inconsistencies and obvious "We need to cover our butts" behavior is another demonstration of the Bush Administration trying to do just that.I would say that our invasion of Afghanistan was a terrible mistake in that we did not completely destroy the country and wipe our hands of it, but hey, I am at the last 2 weeks of my deployment, and a tad bitter at this point.Take care.Edited by Michamus, : typo

I don't know why you even felt the need to state this. If I had intended to state all, I would have stated 'all'.OOC, When were you in Iraq, and what did you do?Take care.

I didn't really think that you thought that the whole world felt that way. I was just filling spaces with words on most of that other than the "this statement is quite vague part". I actually laughed pretty loud when I read this part.You are absolutely right, it makes no sense whatsoever to me, or any other American Soldier for that matter. The fastest way they could get rid of us is to stop fighting long enough for us to leave.The only reason I see though is in a Pashtun's eyes, this is considered cowardice (but dressing up in a Burka and opening fire on troops from within a crowd isn't O.o) Wow, from all the posts I have seen of you annihilating creationists and the likes, I really wasn't expecting a these types of responses.If it means anything, I have found your posts to be QUITE informative, and entertaining. Thank you, and it will. WOOHOO!!! ROFL, I never thought of it that way. Thanks.