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Tangle, l looked back on your message as you suggested.You agree that God is all powerful.In fact God is omnipotent.
He is omnipresent.
He is omniscient.You say that God created at least two places for humans
that are/were free of suffering, the Garden of Eden and
heaven.You say that there is no reason why we need to be flesh
and blood.You say that a soul is good enough for both heaven and
he'll, is it not?The Garden of Eden didn't work out very well, did it?Remember, Adam was flesh and blood. He was a living soul.
The soul can die.There are only two states of being. One is flesh and blood.
That is the physical us.The other state is that of spirit. As of now only the Father;
the son; and, the angels, both fallen and faithful, are
composed of spirit. That is all.Adam and Eve, because they were physical beings, could
get hungry; tired; and, being that they had nerve endings,
they could feel pain.They lusted for what seemed pleasant and appealing to
them.Their lust, especially Eve's, became too strong to resist.This is where sin entered the pictured. Sin is defined as
trangressing God's laws.Sin brings death.Eden was not a perfect situation for two primary reasons.One is that they were mortals, no more.The other is that they did not possess the unflappable
moral character required to govern without sin.Sin is a big deal. It is a huge deal.Sin is so agregious that Christ died a horrible death in
order to pay the cost of Sin Himself.One should read about the licters (those trained to beat
Someone to the point of death without actually killing
them.This was left to the crucifixion.The licter used whips such as the "cat-o-nine-tails, which
we're embedded with shards of glass, metal, or bone.Each time Jesus was hit the ends would wrap around Him
and rip out chunks of meat.God despises Sin (transgressing His laws) as much now
are He ever did.No one goes to heaven, where God's throne is. Heaven
has never been our destination.Also, there was a great rebellion in heaven. This rebellion
has resulted to much destruction in the universe.Once a spirit being's character has set, it is like concrete.
It will not change.The angels who remained faithful to God will remain
faithful for eternity.The fallen angels will always hate God and His creation.You need to remember this point.You will have to wait for the rest of my post.
I don't like long posts. Besides I have things to do.

Ringo, you have no idea what the Bible says about death.You do not fully understand what death is.You are so unsure of yourself that you refuse to take a
stand on the issue.You lack the courage of your conviction.It does not matter whether you believe what the Bible
says about death or not.Phat stated that you understood the Bible, and compared
to him, he could be right.But, if someone lacks the understanding of all that death
constitutes, how in the world can they claim to
understand anything the Bible says?I doubt that you will have the courage to state your
conviction of the state of the dead.Most likely you will reply with some ridiculous comment
about you having a cousin named Murray.Or that Hitler loved his dog.Or that 80-proof liquor is 40% alcohol.

Ringo, you do not fully understand how the word
agnostic has evolved over the years.When the King James Version was written the word
"replinish," as in replenish the earth, did not mean to
restock.Check out an older dictionary.It wasn't even listed as a secondary meaning.Replenish as defined in current dictionaries is now
defined as to restock. The change in definitions
occurred gradually.The Cambridge English Dictionary now defines a woman
as someone who identifies as a woman, even if that
person was said to have a different sex at birth.I have attended several classes where those who
identified themselves as agnostics viewed themselves
as such based on differing reasons.These included:Belief in God, but can't prove it.
Don't know if I believe in God or not.
Inclined to believe in God, but don't want to--He is
cruel and unapproachable.
There is no way to know whether He exists or not.Many evolutionists identify with the third deffinition.Christopher Hitchens believed in the existence of God.
He just believed that God was cruel and uncaring.He hated God with a passion that burned red hot.
The poor man did his best to turn people away from God.He devoted his life to Satan's cause, whether he
consciously knew this or not.He had a completely wrong idea about who God is
and what God is doing.These churches that teach humans will burn in hell
forever paint a wrong image of God. And they cause
people to hate God.

Ringo, if you read my post to Tangle, you would read
where I was pressed for time. I was texting in a hurray.In doing so I wrongly spelled agregious instead of
egregious.But, glad that you pointed it out to me in a helpful
manner, instead of doing so egregiously.Adam did not have access to God's Holy Spirit. Without
God's Holy Spirit it is impossible to develop Godly
character.The israelites escaping Egypt saw miracles that would
stagger the imagination, but they still complained and
rebelled.Why?Except for Moses and perhaps one or two more, they
did not have access to God's Holy Spirit.

Ringo, I will tell you again that that you have no idea
what the Bible means by death.At least you admit that you don't understand the Bible.
You say you know it, but don't understand it.This is similar to a medical doctor saying that he knows
medicine but doesn't understand it.If one believes that humans are immortal, or that we
have an immortal soul, or that our spirit lives on, then
they must believe that many humans will spend
eternity in hell.If one accepts the fact that one can die and have no
consciousness whatsoever, the idea that they will
spend eternity suffering in pain vanishes.How sick minded one must be to believe that God
would do this to us. Not saying that you do.Knowing what God means by death is absolutely a
necessity for understanding God's nature.As for 80 proof, I understand it quite well.I was born in Golden Pond, KY, in 1953. My dad, uncles,
and order brothers made moonshine.I've had brothers spend time in the federal penitentiary,
in Terre Haute, Indiana.They made shine in Golden Pond.I was old enough to remember big black cars coming to
the house and putting gallon soda syrup bottles filled
with shine in the trunks.In any event, God didn't have whiskey on His mind when
He told us to prove all things.I am not out to prove which one of us knows more about
the Bible. There are others who probably understand more
than the three of us put together.I have been trying to show the love of God for all of us.
And, that He will employ the best method to have each
of us become members of His family.Concerning the end of this present age and life in His
Kingdom, God had this to say.Hebrews 8:10-12 "For this is the covenant that I will make
with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I
will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their
hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me
a people:""And they shall not teach every man His neighbor, and
every man His brother, saying, know the Lord: for all shall
Know me from the least to the greatest.""For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their
sins and inquiries will I remember no more."All will be taught by Jesus and the other firstfruits, which
were called out down through the ages.Each of those who were called out were offered a place in
God's coming Kingdom, as part of His government.Each of them were baptized with the assurance that if they
would devote themselves to His cause, and if they, as a
group, continually prepared themselves to rule with Him, that
they would be in the first resurrection.They were not baptized under the assumprion that they
would go to heaven after death. They were baptized with the
promise that they would be raised to rule with Christ.Muslims, Chinese, Buddhists, and everyone still alive will be
corrected and given their opportunity to join the family of
God, as born again spirit beings.All those who are converted during the 1000 years of God's
Kingdom will help to convert the multiple billions who come
up in the second resurrection.God will give everyone the same opportunity, but at different
times.

Phat, Ringo stated to you that for many believers
"understanding" the Bible means juggling it.Isaiah had this to say about that.Isaiah 28:9-10 "Whom shall He teach knowledge? and
whom shall He make to understand doctrine? Them that
are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.""For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."Concerning the fate of those who do not allow God to develop
Godly character in them (after all have had their opportunity),
David had this to say:Psalms 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of
the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into
smoke shall they consume away."They will perish in a devouring fire, not a preserving fire.Malachi 4:1-3 "For behold the day comes, that shall burn as an
oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be
stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up, says the
Lord of hosts, t&t it shall leave them neither root nor branch.""But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness
arise with healing in her wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow
up as calvesof the stall.""And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes
under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, says
the Lord of hosts."Notice that the wicked are compared to stubble, not asbestos.In numerous passages in the NT the wicked are compared to
chaff, that will be burned up.It is against God's nature to punish humans for eternity. And He
will not give the wicked eternal life so that they can be miserable
for eternity.

Phat, the Bible has several examples of men who had
God's Holy Spirit and still they would sin out of weakness.It is one thing to sin willingly, out ot weakness. We are still
"flesh and blood."It is another matter to sin willfully, with disregard for what
God expects.Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we
have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains
no more sacrifice for sin,""But a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery
indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."Hebrews 6:4-6 "For it is impossible for those who were
once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and we're made partakers of the Holy Spirit,""And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers
of the world to come,""If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh,
and put Him to an open shame."They are the ones who need our prayers. They are now
receiving their only calling.They know for certain that they have been called by God.
And, He knows that they know, and they know that He
knows they know.If they reject their calling, they are no different than the
angels who rebelled against God.If someone asks another person if he has the Holy Spirit
and that person answers that he doesn't know, then that
Individual does not have It.

Ringo, I didn't hate Christopher Hitchens. Earlier in my
life I thought basically the same thing that he did about
God.I hated God based on my misguided views of Him.I thought that He was somewhat cruel. I was also angry
in that He was not here to answer our questions. I did not
know what He wanted from us.And above all I did not want to burn in hell for eternity.I fought against Him. I would curse Him bitterly.But, I knew that He existed. No one can build that much
hate and animosity against someone that doesn't exist.Two people cannot walk together unless they are in
agreement. And I begged God to help me love Him.He is totally different than how the world presents Him.I hope that God forgives CH, and I mean that with all my
heart.I am not going to look the sources up because I know
what I have read. Many so-called evolutionists are on
record stating that they simply could not accept the
existence of God because it would interfere with their
way of living.

Ringo, you state that someone can build hate against
something/someone that they think exists.You are absolutely right.Christopher Hitchens believed that God exists.And he hated God based on his mistaken belief of
God's nature.

Phat, I am not a preacher. And, I have asked you to switch
to a different denominations. Not once have I done this.Regarding CH, all one has to do is go back and listen to
his lectures; speaking engagements; and, debates.The only weapon that CH uses in his discourses is
philosophy.Philosophy does not lead one to the truth. In fact, it
almost always leads to the opposite.One example.Those who claim that the Sabbath is no longer in effect
point to the 2nd chapter of Colossians as proof.Vs. 16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in
drink, or in respect of an holiday, or of the new moon,
or of the Sabbath:"Vs.17 "Which are a shadow of the things to come; but
the body is of Christ.""See," they say, don't judge what one eats (they say that
all meat is now suitable for eating).Also, they point out that Paul in verse 16 tells us not to
judge others about whether or not they observe the
holy days; the new moon; or the Sabbath.These, they insist, are just a shadow of the things to
come. They are done away with.Paul letter is addressed to the fleshly uncircumcised
(Gentiles). Vs. 11, 13.In vs. 4, Paul yell the Colossians not to let any man
beguile them with enticing words.And in vs. 8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through
philosophy and vain deceit, and the tradition of men,
after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."Vs.20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the
rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world.
are ye subject to ordinances,"21 "Touch not; taste not; handle not;"Also read vs. 22 & 23.Asceticism was infiltrating the Colossian church.Asceticism is a religious belief that stresses self-denial
of the body in order to become more spiritual.These ascedic philosophers were condemning the
Colossians Christians from observing the Sabbaths
and holy days in a joyous manner.Nowhere in scripture are the Holy days and the Sabbath
described as "rudiments of the world."They were tryinging to force man-made traditions on
the Colissian Christians.The Word "meat" in vs.16 is from "brosis." Brosis refers
to the act of eating, not to a certain food.The ascetic philosophers condemned them for eating.
They believed that self-denial was the only way to grow
spiritually.They believed in neglecting the body; worship of angels;
and, false humility.The new moon was used as a lunar calendar to keep
track of God's Holy days.The Holy days are an outline of God's plan of creating
His family.The Passover was only the first step. Christ's death
reconciled us to God. It made a relationship with Him
possible.Vs. 14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that
was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it
out of the way, nailing it to the cross."This does not refer to the 10 Commandments, as many
assert. The Commandments are not against us.It isn't against us to not steal, lie, or commit adultery, etc...Death is what was against us. It is contrary to us. Jesus
took death in our place by being nailed to the cross.We all have to face temporary physical death, but because
of His death on the cross (Stauros--upright beam), we can be
resurrected to eternal life.

Theodoric, you do believe in magic.You believe in the magic of chemicals creating life.You believe in fairy tales.Your fairy tale begins by "long ago and far away."OR,"Did you hear about the frog who turned into a prince."

Phat, this is really difficult for evolutionists to explain."Titan mud fossils."There are hundreds of them scattered about the globe.Look at this one: "The sleeping giant of Peru."Check as many sights as you can.And when they name a location for one go to that
source to validate its authenticity.Prove the validity of them to yourself.They can't just be dismissed; they must be explained."There were giants on the earth in those days."

Phat, I am not sure when I posted this.I mean the message in Matthew 12:38-40.And, I am not quite sure who your message is to.In any event, the Apostle Matthew wrote the text
about Jesus being in the tomb for three days AND
three nights.I don't know what denomination Ron Wyatt belonged
to, nor do I know how much time he believed that
Jesus was in the grave.If I had to guess I would say that Ron Wyatt probably
agreed with the misconception that Jesus was in the
tomb for one day and two nights.Phat, just for the sake of argument, suppose that Jesus
was in the tomb for three days and three nights, how
would you yourself reword these verses to make it
clearer?It isn't a trick question? How would you Word it?

AZPaul3, tell us all. How do these giant mud fossils
fit in with your so-called theory of evolution.There is far too much evidence that they exist.Let me guess!You will deny against overwhelming odd that they exist.The ancients Greeks based their legend of titans on
these fossils.

Phat, what you believe is that Jesus (which is God's
human character) sits at His own right hand.Then what you are saying is that Jesus is still in His
human character.You believe that Jesus (God in His human character)
prayed to Himself.Wow!!!