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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
wrongsmith writes:
Oh, I get what you mean ... if scientists don't accept that RNA-DNA is the result of Universal Common Descent, RNA-DNA will change or perhaps cease to exist and the vaccines won't work. The vaccines use the RNA-DNA mechanism that was originated by the Universal Common Descent organism. So in order for the vaccine's "RNA-DNA mechanism" to work, scientists must first accept UCD. That's fascinating. What if the person receiving the vaccine doesn't accept UCD? Will the vaccine still work?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling writes:
Oh yeah ... if no one believed in UCD, no drugs or vaccines could be developed. Your idiotic Darwinist bs is embarrassing.
For pharmaceuticals the worth was $1.4 trillion in 2021.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
What if the person receiving the vaccine doesn't accept UCD? Will the vaccine still work? You turn into a 6 ft jackalope with a lust for York peppermint patties. Not a pretty sight. But you're still protected.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
if no one believed in UCD, no drugs or vaccines could be developed. Oh you can still make the drugs but they are only effective on people smart enough to take them.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Even if your gotcha question was legitimate it would have no effect on UCD or the TOE. Nothing you say matters.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
migosh you don't understand english, do you?
Dredgings:
Oh, I get what you mean ... if scientists don't accept that RNA-DNA is the result of Universal Common Descent, RNA-DNA will change or perhaps cease to exist and the vaccines won't work. if scientists don't accept it, it cannot change whether it exists, you stupid.and they cannot retroactively change the efficacy of a vaccine either, you dumbo. godzilla are you stoooopid."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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He really thinks he has some sort of gotcha. He is that stupid.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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You turn into a 6 ft jackalope with a lust for York peppermint patties. Wow, there must be a lot of genetic diversity in the Jackalopes. Ours up here are only 2 ft and they're addicted to Reese's Peanutbutter Cups and rhubarb leaves. Ain't biology wonderful?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Oh yeah ... if no one believed in UCD, no drugs or vaccines could be developed. I'm old enough to remember an earlier time. Yes, there were still drugs back then, but most of them didn't work at all well. To find new drugs, they would test exotic plants to see if they had any useful pharmaceutical effects. And yes, there were vaccines back then, but there were few of them. There was no vaccine for measles, for mumps, for chicken pox, for polio. Childhood disease was a more serious problem than it is today. Many of the newer more effective drugs and vaccines that we have today are due to research into biology and biochemistry which started as a study of evolution and inheritance.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Oh, I get what you mean ... if scientists don't accept that RNA-DNA is the result of Universal Common Descent, RNA-DNA will change or perhaps cease to exist and the vaccines won't work.wrongsmith writes:
Wait ... you're saying that, whether scientists accept the theory of UCD or not, the vaccine's "RNA-DNA mechanism" Message 1168 if scientists don't accept it, it cannot change whether it exists, you stupid.and they cannot retroactively change the efficacy of a vaccine either, you dumbo. will remain the same and will still work? If so, that means that - whether scientists accepted the theory of UCD or not - they would still have been able to develop the vaccine in the first place, doesn't it?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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What we are saying, Choir Boy, is that no one cares whether you believe or not. Not the scientists planning the vaccines nor the chemists making it. They don't need your silly bullshit to know the vaccines work and why.
Again, cracker muncher, you are too stupid to see reality.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Irrelevant as has been everything you said on this thread. What do you think your "gotcha" proves?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Dredgings:
If so, that means that - whether scientists accepted the theory of UCD or not - they would still have been able to develop the vaccine in the first place, doesn't it? yes, once in a triple blue moon on Friday the 13th, in some unlikely year,they could stumble into a vaccine. i'm not gonna bet the farm on it, though. but they'd have to be looking for it. -- and if they didn't accept UCD,then their method of looking for it would still have to be consistent with the UCD RNA-DNA mechanism, using lab equipment and procedures that just so happened to not destroy any steps along the multi-year way. no. i'm not gonna bet the farm on that. Edited by xongsmith, : clarity "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dredge writes: Oh, I get what you mean ... if scientists don't accept that RNA-DNA is the result of Universal Common Descent, RNA-DNA will change or perhaps cease to exist and the vaccines won't work. Scientists do accept UCD, and that helps guide their research into vaccines, virology, and immunology. Your refusal to accept these facts does not make them go away.
So in order for the vaccine's "RNA-DNA mechanism" to work, scientists must first accept UCD. The development of the vaccines required a lot of animal models and understanding of innate and adaptive immunity. Innate immunity was especially important, and our current knowledge is based on phylogenetic analyses of eukaryotes. For example, our understanding of toll-like receptors (TLRs) is based on phylogenetics. These receptors were first discovered in fruit flies, and through common descent we were able to determine how they worked in humans and other mammals. TLR7, specifically, is especially important for understanding the current mRNA vaccines:
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
More Darwinist delusion. Wake up, Dopey ... scientists didn't need the theory of UCD to determine how TRLs work in fruit flies, humans or any other mammal. The development of the vaccines required a lot of animal models and understanding of innate and adaptive immunity. Innate immunity was especially important, and our current knowledge is based on phylogenetic analyses of eukaryotes. For example, our understanding of toll-like receptors (TLRs) is based on phylogenetics. These receptors were first discovered in fruit flies, and through common descent we were able to determine how they worked in humans and other mammals. When you were a little boy, someone told you that nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of UCD ... and you still believe it! Hey, do you still believe in Santa as well?
Not a word in that article about common descent. Golly gee, what a surprise ...
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