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Dredge
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Message 1321 of 1408 (903895)
12-18-2022 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1318 by dwise1
12-17-2022 1:12 PM


Re: UCD evidence
dvine1 writes:
While serving internal exile in the cold part of North Dakota (what I would call my active duty assignment there), NPR became my primary source for world and national news (and for music, since the FM side played classical). 
1. You never served in North Dakota.
2. NPR is not available in North Dakota.
3. Classical music is not, and never has been, available on FM radio in North Dakota.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1322 of 1408 (903898)
12-18-2022 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1320 by Dredge
12-18-2022 6:17 AM


Re: UCD evidence
... you can't produce a scientific paper that says ...
And you won't find any physics papers stating "Newtonian coordinate systems were helpful in this hypothesis" either. It is a really stupid thing to say.
Only a fucked-up dead-jesus-meat stale-cracker sandwich eater would expect such.
Except you don't really expect any learned response. You're trolling.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1323 of 1408 (903899)
12-18-2022 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1208 by Taq
12-06-2022 10:41 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
On the contrary, the article describes how Medzhitov noticed (from Hoffman's work) "that flies with defects in their toll genes became hypersusceptible to fungal infection."

That observation gave Medzhitov the idea that toll genes might act as a sensor, and he then applied that idea to the human immune system.

So what Medzhitov performed was simply an exercise in comparative physiology ... which doesn't require the theory of UCD.
Taq writes:
False. Scientists apply phylogenies which are based on evolutionary histories.
"False"? Really? Where does the article support your claim that Medzhitov used "phylogenies" and "evolutionary histories" to come up with the idea of applying knowledge of toll genes in fruit-flies to humans?
It seems to me that your claim has no basis in fact (which is hardly surprising ... you are a Darwnoid, after all. Darwinoids make up bs stories and tell pork-pies all the time).
Dredge writes:
Darwinist propaganda in that passage, as if none of the knowledge described could have been gained without recognizing the "evolutionary connections".
Taq writes:
The knowledge was gained through our understanding of evolution and the evolutionary history of life
Here you go again ... making up bullshit. Show me where even one scientist in the article refers to "evolution" or "the evolutionary history of life" or UCD.
The article mentions only scientists comparing non-human genes to human genes. Such comparisons don't require the theory of UCD.
From Message 1188:
"Two and a half years later, the idea of innate immunity in humans and its connections to defense in invertebrates had already taken hold. At least 150 scientists gathered at a National Academy of Sciences colloquium in Irvine, Calif., entitled “Virulence and Defense in Host-Pathogen Interactions: Common Features between Plants and Animals.” At the meeting, 12 researchers specifically discussed their work on toll in flies and “toll-like receptors”—as the mammalian versions are now known—and other aspects of innate immunity. Two dozen other scientists focused on patterns common to the insect and mammalian pathogens.
By March 2001, scientists had found 10 other human toll-like receptors, including toll-like receptor 2, which Shizuo Akira, MD, and colleagues at Osaka University showed responds to a particular sequence found in bacterial DNA but not in mammalian DNA. To get an idea of how fast the field has grown since 1997, a literature search for the term “toll-like receptor” in 2022 brought up more than 56,000 abstracts.

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Message 1324 of 1408 (903902)
12-18-2022 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1322 by AZPaul3
12-18-2022 8:59 AM


Stale Communion and amusing musings
"dead Jesus" has little to do with this topic. The issue is Dredge's intelligence. Surely he is an independent thinker, one would assume.
AZ addressing Dredge writes:
Except you don't really expect any learned response.
Well I do. I start out by assuming that anyone in this forum who stays around more than a month has basic intelligence. Until they prove me wrong.
All I have heard Dredge say is that "Darwinoids" can't think." I see little counter-evidence from his learned position. To be fair, I am still reading back through the topic, however.

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Phat
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Message 1325 of 1408 (903903)
12-18-2022 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1323 by Dredge
12-18-2022 9:21 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Darwinoids make up bs stories and tell pork-pies all the time...
They accuse you of trolling. I do note, however, that you spend a fair amount of time compiling a post. You never commented on Message 1188 You only quoted it.
I hear that Republicans spread propaganda.
I hear that Democrats have an agenda.
More to the point, I hear that Creationists lie and employ PRATTS, with little original thought.
And then you accuse your opposition of being "Darwinoids".
Even if they accepted that label and applied it to the peanut gallery, what does that have to do with their intelligence? (or lack thereof)
And where do you get the sources which you quote?

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AZPaul3
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Message 1326 of 1408 (903909)
12-18-2022 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1324 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:08 AM


Re: Stale Communion and amusing musings
"dead Jesus" has little to do with this topic.
Quite the opposite. My contention is that those dead-jesus crackers he eats destroys certain cognitive functions leading to the display of utter stupidity we have come to expect from Dredge.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1327 of 1408 (903914)
12-18-2022 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:11 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Phat writes:
They accuse you of trolling.
I hadn't noticed. What is "trolling"?
I do note, however, that you spend a fair amount of time compiling a post.
I'm so sorry ... but you can't expect a quick response from an idiot with an IQ of only 9.
"the words moron, imbecile, and idiot mean different things.  In psychology, an idiot has the least intelligence on the IQ scale (this now is equivalent to someone who is mentally retarded or the more politically correct “mentally challenged”); an imbecile is not quite as dumb as an idiot and is now considered equivalent to moderate retardation; a moron is then the highest level of intelligence for someone who is mentally retarded, thus considered as being mildly mentally retarded.  Specifically, those who have an IQ between 0 and 25 are idiots; IQs between 26 and 50 are considered imbeciles; and those who have an IQ between 51 and 70 are considered morons."
The Words Moron, Imbecile, and Idiot Mean Different Things
You never commented on Message 1188 You only quoted it.
What about Message 1204?
I hear that Republicans spread propaganda.
I hear that Democrats have an agenda.
More to the point, I hear that Creationists lie and employ PRATTS, with little original thought.
Fascinating.
And then you accuse your opposition of being "Darwinoids".
Even if they accepted that label and applied it to the peanut gallery, what does that have to do with their intelligence? (or lack thereof)
Nothing.
And where do you get the sources which you quote?
What "sources"?
Which "quote"?

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Dredge
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Message 1328 of 1408 (903915)
12-18-2022 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1324 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:08 AM


Re: Stale Communion and amusing musings
Phat writes:
All I have heard Dredge say is that "Darwinoids" can't think."
I don't recall saying that. Which post?

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Dredge
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Message 1329 of 1408 (903920)
12-18-2022 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:11 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Phat writes:
They accuse you of trolling.
"Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water. This may be behind a moving boat, or by slowly winding the line in when fishing from a static position, or even sweeping the line from side-to-side, e.g. when fishing from a jetty."
Troll (slang) - Wikipedia(fishing)

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Dredge
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Message 1330 of 1408 (903921)
12-18-2022 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:11 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Phat writes:
They accuse you of trolling.
"[i]Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water. This may be behind a moving boat, or by slowly winding the line in when fishing from a static position, or even sweeping the line from side-to-side, e.g. when fishing from jetty

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Dredge
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Message 1331 of 1408 (903922)
12-18-2022 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:11 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Phat writes:
They accuse you of trolling.
"Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water. This may be behind a moving boat, or by slowly winding the line in when fishing from a static position, or even sweeping the line from side-to-side, e.g. when fishing from a jetty."
Troll (slang) - Wikipedia(fishing)

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Dredge
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Message 1332 of 1408 (903923)
12-18-2022 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Phat
12-18-2022 10:11 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Phat writes:
They accuse you of trolling.
"trolling is a fishing technique that employs dragging a hooked lure or bait through the water from a moving boat."
Trolling: The Ultimate Fishing Technique (Updated 2022)

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xongsmith
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Message 1333 of 1408 (903924)
12-18-2022 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1331 by Dredge
12-18-2022 1:36 PM


Re: UCD evidence
yes, this would be your form of trolling:
--> from your link:
"In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages online (such as in social media, a newsgroup, a forum, a chat room, a online video game), or in real life, with the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses,[2] or manipulating others' perception. The behavior is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or purposefully causing confusion or harm to other users online."

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Dredge
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Message 1334 of 1408 (903930)
12-18-2022 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1333 by xongsmith
12-18-2022 1:45 PM


Re: UCD evidence
No, that's not from the link. You made that up. Trolling is about fishing.
Trolling: The Ultimate Fishing Technique (Updated 2022)

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xongsmith
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Message 1335 of 1408 (903931)
12-19-2022 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1334 by Dredge
12-18-2022 10:40 PM


Re: UCD evidence
No, that's not from the link. You made that up. Trolling is about fishing.
ha haha ha ha from your earlier Message 1329:
"Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water. This may be behind a moving boat, or by slowly winding the line in when fishing from a static position, or even sweeping the line from side-to-side, e.g. when fishing from a jetty."
Troll (slang) - Wikipedia(fishing)
YOU ARE SO BUSTED!
Guess you should have used Hillary's BleachBit to erase that message.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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