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Topic: The Meaning Of The Trinity
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 522 of 1864 (899011)
10-06-2022 12:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 521 by dwise1
10-06-2022 10:36 AM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
I chose not to throw God away. (As if such a thing could even be done!  One may as well throw away Alpha Centauri
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 528 of 1864 (899030)
10-07-2022 3:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 523 by ringo
10-06-2022 12:51 PM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
ringo writes: Alpha Centauri has no effect on my life (just like your God). I can totally disregard Alpha Centauri with no problem at all.
Many positive habits or systems have a positive measurable change on and in my life. Did I simply freely or willfully choose to implement these small yet significant changes on a day that was specific? Yes. Why was that day specific over any other day? I've no clue. But the changes are beginning to snowball. As an example, my average blood sugar reading is 184. That's over a hundred points lower than a month ago. Why is it that I had no power to even lower my blood sugar a point for many years? And why, after only a month of small changes do I suddenly feel empowered? I say that in my mind, God made a change.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 529 of 1864 (899031)
10-07-2022 4:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 525 by Dredge
10-06-2022 8:25 PM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
I'm one of the 45,000 who disagree. And I don't even go to church that much. But I will confidently say that the Roman Catholic Church has no monopoly on the Holy Spirit
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 530 of 1864 (899032)
10-07-2022 4:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 524 by dwise1
10-06-2022 1:59 PM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
dwise1 writes: Why didn't Phat declare Alpha Centauri to be a Trinity? To use an analogy, we know that it is a polynomial.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 540 of 1864 (899084)
10-08-2022 12:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 532 by nwr
10-07-2022 10:17 AM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
Why cant it be both, acting in Communion?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 541 of 1864 (899086)
10-08-2022 12:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 538 by Dredge
10-07-2022 9:58 PM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
Dredge writes: Jesus said the HS "will guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13), but nCCs don't know what "all the truth" is bcoz they don't know anyone who has "all the truth"! Im assuming that nCCs=non Catholic Christians And why would I believe that only the Pope is privy to having the Holy Spirit? Or do you suggest that Cardinals can get Spooktacular results too?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 552 of 1864 (899156)
10-09-2022 11:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 551 by Candle3
10-09-2022 10:23 AM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
Ask him specifically what it is that is unclear. This could take all day.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 566 of 1864 (899266)
10-11-2022 10:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 565 by Dredge
10-10-2022 8:53 PM
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Re: Topic Synopsis
You guys are being too legalistic. To sabbath means to rest in Christ. Any day can be a sabbath, but one must take the time seriously.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 621 of 1864 (899515)
10-15-2022 4:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 455 by ringo
08-07-2020 9:38 PM
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efense Attorneys
This rabbit trail reminds me of a music video by Carman. This Goober In essence, God serves three roles in the Courtroom. The Judge, The Prosecution and the Defense Attorney.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 623 of 1864 (899517)
10-15-2022 4:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 616 by AZPaul3
10-15-2022 12:26 PM
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Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
I don't know about him, but perhaps I could try Psychedelic Therapy! Hey, it worked when I was 20, before meeting Jesus.  And I'm not agreeing with Candle2 either. I'll get to him later after work.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 624 of 1864 (899518)
10-15-2022 4:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 622 by AZPaul3
10-15-2022 4:07 PM
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Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
dwise1 writes: I'm not mad at you, you stunningly dense evil religious puppet. I pity the world having to put up with you and your evil brethren. . Im heading to work now. My grocery store merged with the other giant in town, pending Approval. But that's a whole nother topic. 
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Though the RCC has had a sordid history regarding molestations and coverups, one must remember that even among the 12 Disciples there was one bad apple. (Judas) Hopefully, the RCC has not exceeded the 12:1 ratio. Their shame is and was in the coverups. It would be as if 11 Cardinals and the Pope defended 1 rotten Cardinal. (which brings up another speculation. Did Judas "go to Hell"? Orrrrrr did Jesus forgive him at a later point in time?) The world may never know. Edited by Phat, : added thought Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, .
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 653 of 1864 (899656)
10-17-2022 9:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 640 by AZPaul3
10-16-2022 12:30 AM
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Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Idolator! Your behavior and veneration of a totally secular concept known as "Science and Critical Thought" is a thinly veiled attempt to worship human intellect itself. You and your kind won't last long.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
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Message 688 of 1864 (900078)
10-23-2022 4:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 668 by Candle3
10-19-2022 9:44 AM
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Re: candle2 church
Forgive my ignorance, but I never knew that satan ever *had* a throne. In order to have even a metaphorical throne, one must have subjects. Perhaps a case could be made that Satan is the god of this world, but the subjects would acknowledge him as such. satan is at best an unemployed cherub.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 738 of 1864 (900402)
10-27-2022 10:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 735 by Candle3
10-27-2022 9:35 AM
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Simplistically Speaking
From my vantage point, it seems that one side supports the Right To Life and the other side supports the Right To Choose. For the record, I am a pro-choice Christian.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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