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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
.. even when He rejects and/or corrects what is in the OT. He doesn't reject anything in the OT. He tells His followers not to demand justice but to yield when treated unjustly, that's not denying the justice of the OT, and He reveals that Moses was lenient about the law of divorce but that Christians need to tfollow it strictly. Jesus IS the God of the Old Testament and He went on to fulfill "every jot and tittle" of the Moral Law which is Holy. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
GDR writes: Faith writes: I was persuaded of the TRUTH of the traditional Protestant Reformation doctrines that are standard evangelical truth. Hmm.. so you are persuaded by what a group of guys said about what a group guys wrote thousands of years earlier and are saying that it is straight from God. Well, one is going to be persuaded by something, and they showed that the Catholic Church denied the Bible in favor of its own superstitious ideas, perhaps a little like what you are doing, and then they taught us what it actually says. I know that the Bible was Spirit-breathed by God, so following my own feelings instead of following the Bible would be foolish.
It is making a false idol out of the Bible, at the expense of what God has done in and through Jesus of Nazareth. c Actually it is not doing that at all. You have a false idea of what God has done in and through Je4sus of Nazaeth because you prefer your own feelings to what the Bible that He Himself wrote reveals about Him. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just want to give a little plug for that video I put up back in Message 697 which was to show GDR that Calvinist Christianity also teaches practicing the love of Jesus, but also because it's just good. Rosaria Butterfield was a liberal atheist lesbian Professor of English before she got to know a pastor and his wife who persuaded her to Christ after a couple of years of conversations over dinner. She went on to marry a man who became a pastor himself and they have devoted themselves to hospitality to all their neighbors over the years.
In this talk she tells about what happened when a new neighbor turned out to be operating a meth lab in the house next door. She is an excellent story teller, as a former professor of English might be expected to be. It's aimed at a conference of Christians of course, rather than unbelievers, just so you know. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: That's interesting. World peace depends on telling lies? Loving your neighbor means allowing them to go on in the thrall of demon gods? Loving thy neighbour means not being a primitive, superstitious dickhead and try to get on with people.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course. What are you carrying on about anyway?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
What either of us believes or doesn't believe is not relevant. What's relevant is your behaviour and your behaviour doesn't suggest any special "understanding". Your insistence on being wrong about everything - to the point of openly defying reality - is evidence that the whole concept of "fallen minds" is garbage. Yeah that would be an irony, but of course you don't believe in God and I do.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
They shot themselves in the foot. It's like inventing a phlogiston detector that shows that there is no phlogiston. Firstly science was started by theists....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We were talking about the regeneration of the spirit as how God can be known, not anything else. The ability to believe in the biblical God is the result of regeneration so it IS relevant.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Again, you're the poster child for not knowing what you're talking about, so that statement is pretty well worthless. You're living proof of non-regeneration. The ability to believe in the biblical God is the result of regeneration so it IS relevant.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Gosh, it's a good thing I DO know what I'm talking about a lot of the time or my feelings might be hurt by your comments. I guess I should pray for you more.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Fat people shouldn't have their feelings hurt if somebody notices that they're fat. But keep up the hubris. You're making my point. Gosh, it's a good thing I DO know what I'm talking about a lot of the time or my feelings might be hurt by your comments.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh I don't care if you call me fat because these days I am fat, but of course if you did it would be an expression of hostility and that would be unpleasant. But I do know what I'm talking about most of the time here -- can't say all of the time because who knows, but I know most of the time I do and that you are wrong so although your hostility is unpleasant at least I have the comfort of knowing you are wrong.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yet another instance of you making unfounded assumptions. ... if you did it would be an expression of hostility.... Edited by ringo, : spellingeAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
God writes:
Yes, there've been thousands of gods. Most of them now abandoned as we learn more. The more we learn, the less people believe. That's why religious believe is declining in the West.
God is an idea held by the vast majority of homosapiens since even before Civilization. The study of that idea is theology. Theology is actually the study of religious beliefs about god. Ie what people believe about god. God cannot be studied. If he could we wouldn't need belief.
Science has disproved claims of people who believe in transcendent ideas. It's impossible to disprove the idea of transcendence. All you have is the disprovance of specific claims. Is there a difference between what people claim about transcendence and people's ideas about transcendence? The whole conversation we have been having is in reference to your comments in post 592.
I'm not just commenting just on that particular quote of yours, it's the entire conversation - it's just such a fantastical work of pure imagination. Quoting Humpty Dumpty from Alice in Wonderland is the nearest I can get to explaining how totally preposterous I find this whole portion of thread is. I can't believe that grown-ups can 'think' this way. Faith's whole conversation is identical to pure works of fantasy like Alice in Wonderland in your mind. You don't seem to be able to fathom how anyone could possibly think that way. My posts to you have been an effort to show you it's not unreasonable for faith to think that way. Not only has it been common among the majority of humans for most of their existence; there are valid reasons for people to think that way today. Show me why you feel that is wrong. Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 921 Joined:
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Hostility is the reason people call other people fat in most cases.
It's reasonable for faith to assume you are representative of the vast majority.
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