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Author Topic:   Religion or Science - How do they compare?
foreveryoung
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Message 601 of 882 (834971)
06-15-2018 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 592 by Tangle
06-15-2018 3:41 PM


Re: Grace and free will
Do you believe there exists anything of ultimate transcendent value independent of time and culture?
There are people who do believe such a thing exists. Those are the people whose ramblings you consider to be crazy and pure fantasy.

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foreveryoung
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Message 617 of 882 (834989)
06-16-2018 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by Tangle
06-16-2018 2:52 AM


Re: Grace and free will
Is there anything beyond you that you consider Superior to your own intellect? Or are you the beginning and end of all things that you encounter and think about?

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foreveryoung
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Message 641 of 882 (835018)
06-16-2018 11:29 AM


I think tangle needs to tell us what he thinks the nature of reality and consciousness and meaning is. How faith and GDR and Phat and me think of those things is the reason we believe in God.
https://youtu.be/zA8FxYwSKIc
Consciousness is a mystery that faces the mystery of potential and transforms it into actuality. We do that with every choice we make. Our choices determine the destiny of the world. By making a choice, you alter the structure of reality....
Jordan B. Peterson

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foreveryoung
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Message 664 of 882 (835054)
06-16-2018 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 661 by Tangle
06-16-2018 6:46 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Why do you get out of bed? Food? Sex? Entertainment? Feed your ego? Act out your resentment? Keep tabs on the daily destruction of Western Civilization?

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foreveryoung
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Message 699 of 882 (835116)
06-18-2018 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 698 by Tangle
06-18-2018 2:59 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Science does influece theology; it regularly shows that it's wrong. . Tangle
It showed people's interpretations were wrong, not tgeokify itself.

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foreveryoung
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Message 701 of 882 (835118)
06-18-2018 4:38 AM
Reply to: Message 700 by Tangle
06-18-2018 4:09 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Theology IS people's interpretations....tangle
Wrong.
Biology is the study of life. Theology is the study of God and religious notions.

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foreveryoung
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Message 703 of 882 (835120)
06-18-2018 5:44 AM
Reply to: Message 702 by Tangle
06-18-2018 5:05 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
God is an idea held by the vast majority of homosapiens since even before Civilization. The study of that idea is theology. Science has disproved claims of people who believe in transcendent ideas. It's impossible to disprove the idea of transcedence. All you have is the disprovance of specific claims.

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foreveryoung
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Message 749 of 882 (835212)
06-19-2018 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 704 by Tangle
06-18-2018 6:15 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
God writes:
God is an idea held by the vast majority of homosapiens since even before Civilization.
Yes, there've been thousands of gods. Most of them now abandoned as we learn more. The more we learn, the less people believe. That's why religious believe is declining in the West.
The study of that idea is theology.
Theology is actually the study of religious beliefs about god. Ie what people believe about god. God cannot be studied. If he could we wouldn't need belief.
Science has disproved claims of people who believe in transcendent ideas. It's impossible to disprove the idea of transcendence. All you have is the disprovance of specific claims.
Is there a difference between what people claim about transcendence and people's ideas about transcendence?
The whole conversation we have been having is in reference to your comments in post 592.
I'm not just commenting just on that particular quote of yours, it's the entire conversation - it's just such a fantastical work of pure imagination.
Quoting Humpty Dumpty from Alice in Wonderland is the nearest I can get to explaining how totally preposterous I find this whole portion of thread is.
I can't believe that grown-ups can 'think' this way.
Faith's whole conversation is identical to pure works of fantasy like Alice in Wonderland in your mind. You don't seem to be able to fathom how anyone could possibly think that way. My posts to you have been an effort to show you it's not unreasonable for faith to think that way. Not only has it been common among the majority of humans for most of their existence; there are valid reasons for people to think that way today.
Show me why you feel that is wrong.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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foreveryoung
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Message 750 of 882 (835213)
06-19-2018 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 748 by ringo
06-19-2018 2:08 PM


Hostility is the reason people call other people fat in most cases.
It's reasonable for faith to assume you are representative of the vast majority.

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foreveryoung
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Message 751 of 882 (835214)
06-19-2018 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 746 by ringo
06-19-2018 1:30 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Noticing someone is fat is a far cry from using that "fact" to diminish the value of that person, especially if there is a past of such a hostile attitude.

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foreveryoung
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Message 756 of 882 (835243)
06-20-2018 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 753 by Capt Stormfield
06-20-2018 12:53 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
You seem to have missed the whole "burden of proof" thing
Uhhhhh....no
The burden of proof is on you.
You and your buddie tangle are equating belief in something higher than themselves with a fantasy like Alice in wonderland.
That's a specific claim bucko.
Now, get off your ass and prove your claim.

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