The Tension of Faith

I've already answered this utterly evil post.

This is false. He is not required to decorate his cakes with images or messages that are utterly repugnant to him morally.abe: There has been more than one baker, along with a photographer and a florist, forced out of business -- meaning the wedding oriented part of the business. The Oregon bakery had to close its doors to the public.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You are comparing God's judgments and punishments with the murder of innocents. Weird how that kind of conflation has become so common in this day of burgeoning paganism.

Right, just flatly deny what has been proved beyond a doubt. Very effective tactic where you are surrounded by confederates who won't call you on even the most egregious lies and stupidities..Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Why don't you respond in the spirit of my meaning instead of invoking your nitpicking distinctions? Because you aren't interested in truth or fairness, you're out for blood in the service of your project to be sure I'm deprived of any respect for my point of view, the point of view that in fact established the very principle of civil rights you think you are defending, but you twist it so that evil is good and good is evil. A wedding cake itself is enough of an image to be a symbol of a wedding, and a wedding between homosexuals is morally repugnant to the teachings of Christianity. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The points in that post were answered already. Go find the answers yourself. And NOBODY deserves the calumny and opprobrium you dish out. Justifying it just makes you all the more disgusting.

The Enlightenment couldn't have thought it up without Christianity. John Locke was mentored by John Owen, who was a powerful Puritan preacher and Oxford Professor.And the idea of twisting marriage to apply to homosexuals is an absurd travesty that no Enlightenment leader would have countenanced.God specifically ordained marriage as reported in Genesis, and Jesus referred to that ordination as binding. God made them male and female...A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife... what God has brought together let no man put asunder.Christians who don't understand that gay marriage violates God's Law are just supremely ignorant of the Bible.You have your definitions, they are not biblical but mine are and I share them with other biblical Christians. Your definitions are not Christian, they are basically pagan, which is where this whole travesty of gay marriage comes from. And your silly refrain about being forced to marry a homosexual is so absurd I don't know how even you manage to keep it up. Forced to acknowledge the legitimacy of gay marriage is the problem for a Christian and there are many ways that IS forced on us when the law penalizes us for refusing to supply wedding accommodations, wedding cake, flowers, photos, wedding license. Stop the silliness, jar, it's become ludicrous.For us it is very much like being required to worship Caesar as "god" or else. Same situation exactly.There was no need to overturn this basic Christian tenet if what homosexuals want is a legal contract they can depend on. That could have been done without destroying the God-ordained basis of marriage.abe: This has been argued to death already many times, but as long as the fundamental Christian dilemma is ignored I'm going to continue to argue it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Christians must answer to God above all governments, and if it weren't for the perversity of our government's forcing gay marriage on us there wouldn't have been any conflict.Reality has had its teeth in your butt for a long time without you noticing. Guess it's numb to reality.

What's the matter with you, jar? I've proved that it's forced on us, you are in the weird position of outright denying the facts. Give it up and acknowledge the truth and stop this crazy arguing with the obvious.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Nice statement of pagan perversity, nice collection of lying accusations there too. Well done.No, government doesn't have to answer to Christians. Government is free to persecute us, feed us to the lions, whatever.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I've never met a Christian Reconstructionist myself, probably couldn't even name one. But I see that a fringe movement can serve the forces of antiChristianity quite well. What do you suggest, hanging us? Execution at dawn? Concentration camps?

Yes the Divine Right of Kings was wrong but in context it was intended as a counter to the assumed right of the Pope to rule over kings and everybody else. Context can lead to views that create unforeseen problems but ignoring context leads to such ludicrous accusations as yours.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

And Satan himself no doubt, who has more freedoms these days than Christians.

I wish I had the time and the energy to muster the evidence because the evidence is that America was conceived as far more Christian than you think, and the direction it is now headed is not at all what the Founders had in mind despite their Deist inclinations. Of course once the secularists have managed to redefine it there's not much hope of resurrecting original intent. I think I'll try to assemble the facts anyway though I may not waste them here.The other way to read the history is that the nation was Christian through and through in all its thinking at all levels except for the few who had the power to pervert it and hence betrayed its Christian foundations. The leaving of God out of the Constitution was actually protested by Christians who said it was indeed a betrayal. Of course it took a century or two for the Christian roots to be pulled up as they now are and paganism to reassert itself.Either way paganism now owns it, and barring a great revival (which would find you hightailing it to some other part of the planet) I suppose we can expect its deterioration into a third world swamp to continue unabated.
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Looks to me like we'll become the equivalent of dhimmis. That's persecution enough.Actually, since all this has to bring the nation under God's judgment, what very likely could happen is that it will become predominantly Muslim. Wonder how you'll like that.