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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The Nazi's were christians.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The idea that James was not gay is revisionist history. He was an extreme hypocrite, but he was gay. There is plenty of historical evidence that he was gay. Using what he said to prove he was not a homosexual seems kinda silly.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You have no evidence
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You do realize that it is possible to research facts.
Fact oneCatholics are christian Fact twoNazi's were christians. quote:Sources are listed on the wikipedia site. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Is it really that hard for you to do basic research and read? Are you capabale of critical thinking. Or are you just a liar for Jesus?
No. They have not been fined yet. As Mod has shown. He probably spent 2 minutes confirming this. Why can you not do the same?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I don't see anywhere in the tract you highlighted that says you should treat the people it mentions like shit.
How about you and the other fundies worry about themselves. Self-righteous hypocritical assholes is what the lot of you are. When anything other people do makes you a fornicator, idolater, adulterer, homosexual, sodomite, thief, covetor, drunkard, reviler or extortioner, then you can stand up and stop them. Until then mind your own business and leave people alone. Oh and by the way the bible verse isn't Jesus talking.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I can't just take your word or your sources as necessarily authoritative. The letter to Buckingham supposedly calling him "wife" is just odd. abe: For him to mention God loving him in a letter to a homosexual lover makes NO sense at all. It sounds like a letter he would have written to his wife Anne that got misattributed to Buckingham, and how that might have happened raises all kinds of strange questions about the integrity of somebody in this saga.
Of course you don't think any source but some whack Jesus is god site is authoritative. You will change all evidence to suit your purposes anyway. The letter was written to Buckingham. There is evidence of that. Mainly who he was writing to. The actual letter exists and can be read.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Then I'm going to wonder if it's a forgery. Like every other letter he sent to his lovers. IT BURNSFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
1) it's just so weird, that letter he supposedly wrote to Buckingham, first invoking God and calling him wife, it's just too too weird.
Because you find it weird it cannot be? Seems quite rational for him to talk to the person he loves this way.
2) Besides why on earth would he leave such evidence around for his enemies to find?
Views of same sex relationships were different back then. This was before victorian prudishness. Also, he was an authoritarian despot. He didn't care what people thought.
3) It contradicts too much else that is known about him. He had a reputation as a true Christian. Kings generally don't mind being all kinds of sinners if they really are, but he seemed to be a genuine believer. And enemies love to smear such people.
He had a reputation as an amoral despot.
) The whole idea was concocted after his death and most of it in our time. Nobody ever accused him of homosexuality in his own time which they certainly would have in that age.
No. You just want this to be. He was a known homosexual in his time. In 1623 Thophile de Viau (1590- 1626) wrote obscene poem "Au marquis du Boukinquan,". Apollo with his songsDebauched young Hyacinthus Just as Corydon fucked Amyntas, So Caesar did not spurn boys. One man fucks Monsieur le Grand de Bellegarde [a friend of Viau],Another fucks the Comte de Tonnerre. And it is well known that the King of England Fucks the Duke of Buckingham. Gaudiani, Claire Lynn (1981). The Cabaret poetry of Thophile de Viau: Texts and Traditions page 104
Source Any more evidence you want to ignore?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I am pretty sure we showed clearly that Mr. Coston isn't qualified to say much about this subject. He has absolutely no historical training and he is involved with organizations whose sole purpose is to put James and his son Charles on a pedestal. He is not a source anyone should put any faith in.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Are you married, or have you ever been married?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Divorced?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
How does homosexual marriage effect your marriage?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
There's nothing much to be done about it now unless he'd care to re-introduce himself and we'd all be happy to hear what he has to say. I've also got a few pithy questions I'd like to put to him too. I'd tell him and his dad to go screw themselves. If they are the creators of all the suffering in the world then I will go with another option. I have no desire to spend eternity with anything so vain, egotistical and immoral as the christian god and little boy jesus.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Ya know, the First Amendment was put into place even as Christians were preaching for and against slavery.
There fixed it for you.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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