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Topic: Is the bible authoritive and truly inspired?
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Re: Source of Authority, Source of Inspiration
And I've explained to you over and over that the principles of God's salvation that are in Christ Jesus that are in today's Bibles have not changed since they were witten many hundreds of years ago. They work today just like they worked then, for those God is calling to Himself. Peace
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Message 301 of 386 (577808)
08-30-2010 1:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 297 by ringo
08-30-2010 12:13 PM
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Re: Source of Authority, Source of Inspiration
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Then why not eliminate the Holy Spirit as an authority on interpretation? You seem to be claiming that we need the Holy Spirit to verify what the Bible says and we need the Bible to verify what the Holy Spirit says. In the world of charlatans, the Holy Spirit would be the shill, the one who says, "Yes, it's true! I was healed by Professor Marvel's Magic Snake Oil Elixir!"
Yes, you need the Holy Spirit to lead you to the foot of the cross where salvation is found in the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, you need the Holy Spirit to lead you in paths of righteousness in Christ Jesus after you find God's salvation. It's as simple and as difficuly as that! Peace
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Message 304 of 386 (577977)
08-31-2010 9:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 302 by ringo
08-30-2010 2:07 PM
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Re: Source of Authority, Source of Inspiration
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But the topic is the Bible and my question is: Why do we need both? If the Bible was authoritative and truly inspired and if its message was as simple and changeless as you claim, why can't it be the only source? Clearly, it isn't authoritative and truly inspired if it can't lead us in the paths of righteousness without outside help.
(1) We need the Bible to reveal God's plan of salvation for man in our Lord Jesus Christ. (2) We need the Spirit who draws sinner man to God's salvation. (3) We need the Spirit of the Lord to lead us in paths of righteousness for His name's sake. Why do we need both the Bible source and inside help? Because God designed His salvation plan that way!
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Re: Source of Authority, Source of Inspiration
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And I've explained to you over and over that the principles of God's salvation that are in Christ Jesus that are in today's Bibles have not changed since they were witten many hundreds of years ago. They work today just like they worked then, for those God is calling to Himself.
Unfortunately you are the one who doesn't know that. Those that our Lord calls to Himself do! Peace
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Message 309 of 386 (578019)
08-31-2010 2:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 308 by ringo
08-31-2010 1:02 PM
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God's Plan according to the Bible
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That's what I've been saying. According to you, God's plan is to have a Bible that is not authoritative or truly inspired but requires a handy-dandy Star-Trek-type Universal Translator called the "Holy Spirit" to make any sense of it.
Twist & shout your words all you will, and they are still your words, not mine! The Bible is authorative and inspired for those God is drawing to Himself. You may not want there to be God of the Bible who speaks to His children from the pages of the Bible by the gift of His Spirit, but "God designed His salvation plan that way!" Peace
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Message 311 of 386 (578167)
09-01-2010 12:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 310 by ringo
08-31-2010 2:55 PM
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Re: God's Plan according to the Bible
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On the contrary, I'd be tickled pink if there was a God who made His plans clear through the Bible. It just doesn't seem like there is one. The one you describe only makes His plans clear to the ones he chooses.
Now you are getting close to understanding the truth of the God of the Bible (see John 6:44). The question that remains for you is this: Are you willing to be a John 3:16 "whosoever will" or a "whosoever won't"?
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Those who are being saved.
Bart Ehrman never found true faith in our Lord Jesus Christ through the gift of His Spirit, relying instead on intellectual beliefs that had no substance. Instead of pressing on into the reality of God who rewards those who dilligently seek Him (Heb 11:6), Bart turned back to unbelief. Bart never found the Lord who does this:
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And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved. (Acts 2:47)
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Message 317 of 386 (578310)
09-01-2010 11:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 314 by Theodoric
09-01-2010 11:26 AM
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Re: Those who are being saved.
I've read enough of Ehrman's writings and testimony to know that he never found the Lord of Acts 2, forever stuck in trying to accept and understand the veracity of the Gospels. His wife accepts his unbelief, while she enjoys the substance of her faith in our Lord. Sad story! Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Re: Those who are being saved.
The Acts 2 experience that has been happening to Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ for the last 2000 years confirms that the Bible is authoritive and truly inspired, confirming all the Bible prophesies which led up to Acts 2. Yes, "it is about the book and what is/was written." Either what has been happening to Believers for 2000 years confirms the truth of what was written then, or it doesn't. Billions of Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ that have entered into the Acts 2 experience know the Bible is authoritive and truly inspired. Billions of unbelievers say it doesn't. Maybe will just have to leave it at that. Peace Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.
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John 10:10
Member (Idle past 3025 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: 02-01-2006
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Re: Authority and Inspiration
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This thread isn't about the truth of the Bible. It's about authority and inspiration. It doesn't matter if what the authors wrote is true or not.
Just where do you think authority and inspiration come from? You must think it comes from man, and not from something higher than man. Yes, understanding the reality of the Bible can help people make an informed choice. But when you start out by saying/believing that it doesn't matter if what the authors wrote is true or not, how can you or anyone else possibly make an informed choice. Either what the authors wrote in the Bible still happens to those whom God is calling to Himself, or it doesn't. Either God saves sinners, or He doesn't. That is the true reality that can help people make an informed choice, not by spending endless hours in textual criticisms.
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