Jesus: Why I believe He was a failure.

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The thread is getting bogged down on geneologies and word/phrase semantics. This could go on til the cows come home and the cows are'nt in sight.

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If it is getting bogged down it is because the Bible "believers" won't deal with what the Bible actually says. They are only interested in finding excuses to pretend it says what they want it to say.

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This is how skeptics bury the important observable data relative to the fulfilled messianic prophecies and those obviously emerging into fulfillment which I and others have cited such as the fulfillment of Jesus and OT prophets that Israel, after being dispersed globally would providentially return and re-emerge as a powerful tiny nation to their original location smack dab in the middle of all of her enemies calling & waring for her anhilation.

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Of course you HAVEN'T cited anything of significance in this thread - all you have done is make vague references to your past claims which have already been dealt with in the threads where you raised them. So the "skeptics" aren't trying to bury anything - it is nit up to them to answer arguments that are not raised.

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Then there's the cited fulfilled prophecies of Jesus, the suffering messiah, a pre-requesit to the reigning messiah, etc.

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Which Brian has already addressed in this thread.

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He wasn't suppose to until the end times according to the prophets and according to his own words. His desciples asked him when the end times would be. He answered by corroborating the OT prophets that the Jews would be scattered globally and return in the latter days/end times.

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Interestingly enough two out of three accounts of the prophecy you are referring to make absolutely no mention of any such thing - and the third is quite different from the other two. So there's no way to be sure that Jesus said it at all.All of the accounts strongly suggest a time limit of a single generation - from the time the prophecy was spoken. Even if we take the dubious approach of interpreting that a meaning that all the listed signs will take place within a single generation then the exile and return must BOTH occur within that timeframe.Thus we can be sure that this prophecy failed.