9-11 Conspiracy

There is a world of difference between these three scenarios:A) Government officials plan and execute, through the use of a black ops team, a series of wide ranging and complicated attacks - including months worth of planting demolitions in and around the WTC. It goes completely unobserved. - Unplausible and WOEFULLY inaccurate.B) Government officials ignore warning signs of impending attack because they know whatever the attack may be, they'll be able to use it as a new "Pearl Harbor", rallying people into any and every military action they choose. - Plausible, but historically inaccurateC) Government officials strive to gain big budget contracts for their missile defense shield to continue fighting a cold war that's been over for 20 years. While distracted they miss the current war which has been brewing under their noses. A war which they were specifically warned about by the previous administration. When 9/11 happens, they over react and use it as a launching ground for military actions that they were planning anyway but had no idea how to sell to the public. - What actually happened.

If this had been an orchistrated operation, then at the time it went down Bush would have been safely some place where he could have had a kick ass photo op - not reading a children's book.It would have been "When the planes hit, aides rushed to inform the President who was, at that time, beating the Iranian president in a push up contest."

While it is true that the Bush administration used 9/11 to justify invading Iraq, had 9/11 not happened they still would have found other means to justify it.Pull out the inspectors and claim there are WMD.
Claim Saddam has a nuke.
Claim Saddam plans to attack Israel.
Claim Saddam has kidnapped the Olsen Twins.Or, realistically...Order dangerous air patrol missions over Iraq until a plane either is shot down or just simply crashes, then use that as justification.Would we have been as gung ho? No. Would they still have gotten us into the war. Absolutely.Remember, the entire middle of the country is controlled 100% by mega churchs, Rush Limbaugh and FoxNews. If 2/3 of them say "Iraq is planning on stealing the moon", we're at war.

Watch your tone.You SPECIFICALLY ASKED: I did.You don't get to bitch that it's speculation when YOU ASKED FOR SPECULATION.NOT getting attacked was sufficient to get us into Vietnam. NOT getting attacked was sufficient to get us into the Spanish/American War. NOT getting attacked was sufficient to get is into Iraq the first time. NOT getting attacked was sufficient to get us into Panama.News flash - We don't need to get attacked to attack "back".If the Bush admin wanted to go to war, they could have used ANY excuse to do it. 9/11 happened to be a good one. That doesn't mean that Bush and Cheney secretly snuck into the towers on their off hours and placed hundreds of tons of super secret invisible explosives. You are attributing an administration with intelligence and forethought which they ABSOLUTELY failed to display in EVER SINGLE OTHER ASPECT of their 8 years in office.You think a man who SHOOTS ANOTHER MAN POINT BLANK IN THE FACE is thinking 2 steps ahead?You think a man who watches a US City sink beneath the waves and DOESN'T CALL OFF HIS VACATION is crafy enough to anticipate future public opinion?If we wanted to get Iran, we didn't need to take out Iraq (their BIGGEST ENEMY).Iran WANTED us in Iraq. Iran was the MAIN SOURCE of bad intel about Iraq. If anything, Iran WON. We literally CAN'T attack Iran now. We have NO MONEY, NO TROOPS and NO WILL to go after them. Smart & educated & unwilling to stand up to their neighbors doesn't do the real America any good. I say let Texas leave. Good riddance.

This statement would be valid if the administration thought the Iraq war was going to take more than 14 minutes.They thought we would be in and out in a couple of weeks.W wanted to do what Daddy did in Panama. How much of that is surplus? None. We don't have the manpower or money to deploy another 100,000 troops, let alone keep them active. You need to look up the definition of "elite".The Red State Politic is based on the mantra "Dem cowledge boys think them so smurt jus cuz dem reeds buks".The Conservative movement in America knows that the dumber and less educated people are, the easier it is to get them to vote the way you want them to. The red states don't vote based on any sort of reasonable ideology. They vote the way they vote because that's how Rush Limbaugh TELLS them to vote. Beginning, middle and end of story.If it makes me an elitist to bother thinking for myself then so be it. I'm elitist. I am BETTER THAN those people. Iowa's SUPREME COURT ok'd it. The I.S.C. is made up ENTIRELY of educated "elitists".The Conservatives have long known that playing people's prejudices is an easy way to get support.Gays are the new blacks.

Were you even IN America during the run up to the war? The testimony before Congress gave estimates on cost and timeframe for the war.Does the phrase "doubt it will last six months" sound familiar? Sez the conspiracy theorist who's claiming that the government willfully allowed 9/11 to happen. Now you want evidence that troop levels are low? How about the fact that recruitment standards have been consistantly lowered over the years.People who literally couldn't get in 10 years ago are being actively recruited today. Are you deliberately trying to be dense? I'm saying that Rush Limbaugh/FoxNews controls these people.You are claiming that that's the media making it appear that way.What do you think FoxNews is? It's a CABLE CHANNEL. That's MEDIA.They say "Liberal Elitists"
The Red State goons parrot it.
You repeat it to me.
I point out that telling me that I'm better than you isn't exactly a way to convince me that I'm wrong.
Then you tell me it's the media.Obviously it's the media. It's the media telling these people what to say. That's my whole point! They can't think for themselves.

Virtually ALL the "evidence" for the Iraq invasion was supplied by ONE person - "Curveball", an Iranian spy.Iran was at war with Iraq for YEARS. Iran is largely Shiite, Iraq was controlled by Sunies.We took the "evidence" handed to us by an Iranian spy and used it to justify a war against Iran's enemy, took out the Suny run government and allowed the repressed Shiites to gain ground.That's NOT positioning to attack Iran. That's Iran PLAYING us like a fiddle.If we REALLY were after Iran, we wouldn't have pulled troops out of Afghanistan and we wouldn't be working on the Pakistan border. We'd be setting up for an invasion on the Iranian border.Is that happening? No.
Are we massing troops in Iraq on the other Iranian border? No.Is there money to invade Iran? No.
Do we have extra rested and ready to go troops with which to invade Iran? No.
Do we have public consent to go to war with Iran? No.Time to take off the tinfoil hat, the CIA isn't beaming commands into your head from their space base on the moon.

So, you demand evidence from me for quotes that you've actually heard, but then claim that the people saying these things were deliberately lying.Evidence? None.I didn't "fall for" anything. I was against going into Iraq the first time and nothing has changed. I'm an isolationist.That doesn't change the fact that these idiots (the ones without war experience) were making plans based on how they THOUGHT the war would go, not how the generals were TELLING THEM the war would go. Ah, I get it now. You drink the kool-aid. No sense trying to convince you that your overlords are wrong. Yup, it's an assumption about a group of bigots. They just don't use it. You just can't help yourself, can you.Now you're telling me that if I go talk to the liberal elites in colleges I'll find out that they aren't the stupid mouth breathers who hate the liberal elites college boys.Well DUH. They are IN COLLEGE.The whole point is that the red state BASE is ANTI-Education. They look down their noses on people who've bothered to learn because somehow learning is "gay" or "elitist" or as you put it "liberal".

Evidence? None. Are we at war with North Korea? They are in the "Axis of Evil". They've had Nukes for nearly a decade.Oh, wait, that's right - you don't have to provide evidence for your outrageous claims because you aren't a member of the "educated elite". I forgot.

Nice dodge, but I'm not falling for it.ONE of the axis of evil countries has Nukes. That's North Korea. They've had them for nearly a decade.Have we invaded? No.
If Iran gets nukes, what EVIDENCE do you have that'll we'll invade them?None. You have speculation.