Separation of Church and State

While I agree that no particular religion should be part of our government, the "tyranny" is when people try to take God out of our schools, and government completely.

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When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.........
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If you pray in school, you are not part of a religion. You can pray in the mannor of any religion, or choose not to pray, without fear. Because we are free.That is what freedom is about. That is what America is about.When we took prayer out of the schools, we made atheism a religion, and a national one at that.

School. There are rules there regarding your religion, and that is no praying in the classroom. Who cares? You mean the same guys?

Forced prayer?I have 2 kids in school right now. You have to see the look on the teachers faces if I even hint at mentioning the word God. It's a fucking joke.

I guess you missed what I said.But what was takin out of school was God.

For the last ten years I have been going to my kids concerts around the holidays. The selections of songs did not include anything that even pertains to religion, angels or God.It's ok to sing about Santa, but not God.This last year, somehow the kids sang Hallelujah, for the last song. The prinicipal was sweating bullets. But to his surprise, the crowd roared at the end, like no other time before in the last ten years.
It was just awesome, there was a unified feeling of, dare I say, fuck the fact that they took prayer out of school. It's an underground cult, you know that. I am not sure on what you can say, but I know what you can't say. Anyone who looks to take God out of nation is part of that cult. I am not saying that all atheists are this way. But most are, and they are forcing their Godless view on the rest of the nation. They fight for separation of church and state for all the wrong reasons, but make it appear they are fighting for the right reasons. The Godless liberal judges grant them their wishes.Listen everyone, stop all your jumping up and down. I live out here in the real world, and I can see clearly what the effect of taking prayer out of school has done. dare to mention God, in a positive way, in school now, and you will see. I am not going to get into a back and forth bullshit conversation about it. IT is what it is.The governement or this nation was never intended to be Godless. That surely wasn't a goal of our founding fathers, period. The Declaration is a clear indication of that.The consititution is the second indication that they never intended for us to be Godless. If they wanted us to be Godless, then they would have never mentioned a separation of church and state.The only thing a separation of church and state means, is that our governement would not run any particular religion, and religion would not run our government. It was meant so that we could escape the "tyranny" of British Kings who forced you to believe a certain way.A line from the declaration of Indenpence: I will leave you with a quote from my original reply in Message 225 and I will remain steadfast on that quote.

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While I agree that no particular religion should be part of our government, the "tyranny" is when people try to take God out of our schools, and government completely.

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Exposing the lies, one truth at a time!

The bible does not say that God is, or is not omnipresent. But it is clear what happened to certain nations who were Godless.

Just wondering, during that court case, did they put their left hand on a bible, and swear to tell the truth? Message 225

Stop taking Him out. Have you read the story about my kids school? Is one example.
Not only are they trying to take God out of country, they are trying to take Christ, ou tof Christmas.
MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest VideosThings also like trying to remove the ten commandments from the walls of the court houses, when the ten commandments are clearly part of our history, and have little to do with representing one particular religion. The ten commandments represent several different religions, so the government would not be a church just for displaying these commandments. To take the word God out of the national anthem, no matter when it was added, is a wrong reason. The word God, does not refer to any particular religion, and can mean the Jewish God, the Muslim God, Natures God, or a Christian one. From reading the declaration of Independence, we are a nation under God.Now if it said one nation under Yahweh, then it would be wrong.A separation of church and state does not mean "no God". It means that the governement cannot tell us how to believe in God, not that God doesn't exist. Read the declaration of Independence.

I don't assume anything, I am telling you what happened.I was involved with getting "The Power Team" in our local area.The Power Team is a ministry that preaches the gospel. They go to local schools across the nation. They have been in about 20,000 of them. They are never allowed to mention the word God. They have to teach Christian principals without saying the word Christ or God.
Schools | The Power Team 2.0The principal of the elementary and middle schools around here both concurred this.I live in the greater NYC area, many Godless liberal abound. We seem to leading the country in these types of Godless ideas. Maybe this doesn't happen as much where you live.

Yes, I do realize that. Do you realize that the Jewish God, and the Christian one, are the same God?When you use the word God, it can mean any god. Whatever god you want it to be. No-one is being forced into believing in any one god, or into believing in God period, just by saying one nation under God.
90% of Americans believe in God, and the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence believed in God. So what is the problem with having God in our nation?The problem would be if there was only one religion, and that religion was controlled by the governement, and we were all forced to believe it. That to me is th ereason why we need a separation of church and state.I find no problem with our government sponsoring religious events, or holidays, or allowing time for prayer in schools. It doesn't have to be religion specific.
Jane can pray to her God
Billy can pray to his God,
and Spot doesn't have to pray, cause he don't believe. So he can do some yoga or something, whatever.On Christmas, we should be singing songs about Christ.
On Hanukkah we can sing about dreidels, etc.But on national atheist day, we won't do a thing, because it doesn't exist, or does any kind of atheistic religion. Not to everyone they don't. The golden rule is the sum of the commandments.I am not Jewish.

If you read the link, you would know that it is funded by local busnisess. THere is no reason why the schools can't bring all of the religions in and let them teach a little something about themselfs, so that our youth can learn about the different religions, and not be raised in a Godless enviroment. Theology is a course in school, is it not?

They do not mean the exact same thing. There is 365 names for God, in the Christian faith, Yahweh is but one of them. Or, you could just read the Declaration of Independence, and you get a clear picture of why it should be separated.But, our government should not be Godless, and our religion should not be governmentless.One should not run the other, thats all. Separation of church and state, not God and state. It says that and more. It was a precurser for the constitution. It says who we are, and why. It is a Declaration.And if it has no legal standing, then a whole bunch of Americans died for nothing, trying to defend it.

When did I ever say religion was removed from schools?

That is a good question. They can choose not to believe. Not promotion, education of. The school can stand there and say, we are not promoting this, we are just showing what it is. Choosing to follow Jesus is a free choice, and would never be forced on anyone.

That is absolutely what it says. That is a blatant lie.
It says who we are a s a nation, and why. It says what we stand for, what we fight for, and why. If you don't want to accpet that God is part of our nation, and our founding fathers, that is your freedom. Yes, it does. We elect our government. Because it is religion specific. You must understand something about me. I go to church, I am a leader in my church, but I really hate religion. Religion and God are 2 different things. Our nation should not be religion specific, but we should also not be Godless. We should also be allowed to be atheist (if there is such a thing). But atheism is not what we as a mjority stand for, or was it the intentions of our founding fathers. We escaped religious persecution, not God.