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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science
inkorrekt
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Message 148 of 203 (291630)
03-02-2006 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by ramoss
03-01-2006 4:51 PM


Re: oh boy!
The Geophysicist is now a Software developer. The reference here is not to his training as a Geophysicist, but is only to the complex Code for the DNA. Even if it refers to his training, what is wrong with his question? Once again, those who cannot defend attack the messenger. As far as the Christian College is concerned, the professor is only affirming the Statement of faith of that college. What is wrong with this? You do not go there. leave them alone.

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inkorrekt
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Message 149 of 203 (291631)
03-02-2006 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Modulous
03-02-2006 7:18 AM


Re: an unintelligent process has designed a radio
Yes, where is the evidence?

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inkorrekt
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Message 154 of 203 (291908)
03-03-2006 6:46 PM
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03-03-2006 3:34 AM


Re: oh boy!
Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion. The issue is whose opinions are based on truth.I am trying my best to do this. Software engineer writes programs for everyone and every field. He does not have to be a biologist.In fact, non biologist software programmer writes better programs for biology as he will not have any preconceived notions. A new field has arisen. It is Bioinformatics.
You can interpret the bible the way you want. You can take some parts and interpret the way you want. What does God say? this is the question you, I and everyone has to answer.

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inkorrekt
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Message 157 of 203 (292162)
03-04-2006 4:51 PM
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03-03-2006 10:57 PM


Re: oh boy!
Do you mean to say that those 3 billion people who consider Bible as the true word of God are all fools or liars?

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inkorrekt
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Message 158 of 203 (292183)
03-04-2006 5:57 PM
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03-03-2006 6:50 PM


Re: oh boy!
I had synthesized an antithrombic drug. In order to evaluate this, I had to study its effect on the blood clotting mechanisms. Every 2 weeks, I go to my doctor's office. They draw my blood. For some tests, they use the plasma after the blood had clotted. for other tests, they have to keep the blood intact. What does this have to do with ID?
When they draw blood, some blood clots. If it does not, then I will bleed to death. The blood clots as a result of cascades of 10 different steps.They are all regulated by enzymes and cofactors. All these steps must function in order for blood to clot. They must also occur in the proper sequence at the right time. I do not understand how this process came into being. If I try to apply the theories on evolution, it does not make sense to me. All these steps must be in order and must be in place and be functional for the blood to clot. The drug that i sysnthesized blocks 5 steps.
One more example: Take the tiny cell. It has the nucleus whci has the genetic material. Mitochondria is the power house that generates energy for all the cellular functions, the Golgi apparatus transports proteins,endoplasmic reticulum syhthesizes proteins,and the lysosome disposes the garbage. Ribosome has avery important role of synthesizing any protein for the cell.It is astonishing to think that this remarkable piece of machinery which possesses the ultimate capacity to construct every living thing that existed on this planet from giant redwood to the human brain,can construct its own components in a matter of minutes and is of the order of several thousand million times smaller than the smallest piece of functional machinery ever constructed by man.
Here, we have some trucks carrying the components to the right places. They also have molecular motors attached to them. Each protein has a signal attached to it.When all the trucks arrive and deliver the goods, then, the cell is constructed.The question all of us have to answer is, how did this microscopic assembly factory
come into existence through along period of time. I have been asked by many in this forum about self assmebly of proteins. It is difficult for me to imagine that this microscopic molecular machinery "Self assembled itself" over along period of time to function. Now, it is either the cell is completely organized and is fully functional or nothing works. If it is partially assembled, it will not work.
I do not understand how these came to be.

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inkorrekt
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Message 160 of 203 (292189)
03-04-2006 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by jar
03-02-2006 10:46 PM


Re: oh boy!
If you are referring to the Jesus Seminar theologians, their objective is to discredit the Bible as a whole and I have nothing to say. You are free to believe whatever you want. But, the Professor in the Christian college is doing his duty. If this Christian professor came to your college and forced his views on you, then you have every right to object to it. As long as he is paid by the christian college and his curriculum has been approved by the administration, then he is doing his job. He is exercising his right to his beliefs and opinions. The constitution gives him the right to exercise his beliefs. I do not have any authority to "Establish any of my opposing viewpoints on him or his college" As long as my tax dollars are not involved, it is not a problem.
I do not understand why A Buddhist, Muslim, Taoist or a Hindu can "establish" his beliefs whereas A Christian cannot even "exercise" his own beliefs.

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inkorrekt
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Message 167 of 203 (292480)
03-05-2006 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by ReverendDG
03-05-2006 4:10 PM


Re: oh boy!
Your disbelief does not make anything wrong.You do not have to beleive the Bible at all.
This will not change anything. Yes, the Liberal wings of the presbyterian church, Lutheran Church, Episcopalian church and the methodist church do not believe that Bible is the true word of God. Did you know that they are losing their membership drastically and the membership in the Evangelical Church is multiplying? This is because of the false teaching and disbelief. LAtest news is that the Episcopalian Church is splitting and the orthodox ministers and the congregations who believe Bible to be the true word of God are disassociating themselves from the Episcopalian church and are associating with AFrican and Aglican Episcopalian church.
You are free to believe whatever you want to. You can even believe Dan Brown's FICTION, Da Vinci Code. That does not change The authenticity of the Bible one bit. Many kings and rulers tried to destroy this book. They all failed. Inspite of all these, Bible is still a best seller. People are still searching.
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inkorrekt
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From: Westminster,CO, USA
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Message 168 of 203 (292486)
03-05-2006 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by crashfrog
03-04-2006 6:05 PM


Re: oh boy!
Alright, in spite of everything you say, I have a question for you.When are you going to show us the missing link?
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inkorrekt
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Message 174 of 203 (293083)
03-07-2006 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by ReverendDG
03-05-2006 11:13 PM


Re: oh boy!
I am not going to respond to you at all because, in this forum, you can write anything you want.Nothing happens. When I respond to you I get the warning. Therefore, I am sorry. i will not respond to you.

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