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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science
Victor
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Message 163 of 203 (292247)
03-04-2006 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Chiroptera
03-04-2006 8:19 PM


Off Topic?
The blood drawing is getting somewhat off topic.
Let us move back to the idea of ID in the classroom. For instance, let's say that ID is tought in classes. We will assume it is introduced as: “God/Someone/Something designed everything. That’s why it works so well!” How would the teacher respond to questions like:
- How come my mom/dad told me something different?
- Why did God/who/what make it?
- Can I talk to it?
- Where does it live?
- Isn’t that from the bible?
- Why are we learning about religion here?
- Why did it make things this way, and not another way?
- How can you prove ID?
- Where did the designer come from?
You can’t exactly tell the students to shut up and have faith. If you’re response to their request to talk is prayer, well that could be seen as a stepping stone for prayer into public schools. If you tell them its not religious, then they’ll ask why most people who believe in it are religious. If they ask you to prove it, what do you say? If they ask for an example, what do you offer?
It seems like to me, as a student in high school, you can’t let ID into the class room without giving religion a space too. It seems God (the Christian one) fills the space really neatly.
From my perspective, bashing evolution is the key to ID. I do not think evolution is the perfect theory, it may not even be right. But what else do we have to go off of? Science is built off of what we observe. If we observe evolution, then that is science. If evolution is wrong, that does not mean it is not science.
When god comes down here and tells us ID is right, and uses his/her/its magic powers or however he/she/it does things to convince me he/she/it is right, I will think ID belongs in science.
The point of science is not the truth, its what we observe as true. Until I see God/designer making something, its not science.

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Victor
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Message 165 of 203 (292335)
03-05-2006 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Chiroptera
03-04-2006 11:32 PM


Re: Great line!
Mostly, I took parts of it from my Physics teacher.

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Victor
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Message 172 of 203 (292851)
03-06-2006 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by ReverendDG
03-05-2006 4:10 PM


Re: oh boy!
I agree, its not a very strong argument. You know, it wasn't that long ago when a lot of people though the earth was flat... Numbers do not prove anything. And fools, well you could call 50% of the world's population "fools", since on average half the population is.

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Victor
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Message 173 of 203 (292852)
03-06-2006 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by ReverendDG
03-06-2006 4:59 PM


Good Point!
I know lots of students who would love to skip science for the rest of the year! But thats not the point. And really, what good would it to do teach ID? Even if it is true, it has no effect on our lifes. I can't see how it would make a difference if ID was true or not, its the same world - because it can't be proven one way or the other [well it can be proven false...]. It seems funny that the only thing that proves ID is faith.
This message has been edited by Victor, 03-06-2006 10:03 PM

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Victor
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Message 176 of 203 (293114)
03-07-2006 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Chiroptera
03-07-2006 6:35 PM


Re: FYI
My guess why it was marked as off topic is because you did not make a direct link back to the sciecne class. I know you could have, but I assume that there was a "missing link" to say. If you include school or a classroom they moderators may allow it.

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