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STILL no comment on my 3 very good arguments about God's character? Sigh... I guess you concede that I am right then... haha
I did respond in message #205 of this thread.
Your rebuttals were more apologetics and several "No, it isn't"-type comments.
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The Hebrew is a very precise language.
LOL!
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They say in 5 words what we say in 10 and have more meaning in it than we do.
No, they actually allow the reader to insert his or her own meaning into the sentence, because there are bits left out.
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It still makes sense even without the added words although saying it in english without the added words is a bit awkward.
That is absolutely incorrect.
Let's look at the sentences with and without the added articles, shall we?
Your version:
Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.
The non-embellished version:
Man appointed mortal sorrow; the Blessed God shall come down teaching His death shall bring despairing rest.
In the non-doctored version, it is
man who "appointed mortal sorrow". By inserting "is", you change the meaning significantly.
Also, it looks like God is going to come down teaching about God's own death and that this will bring rest, but that this rest is characterized by the feeling of despair.
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English translations are filled with added words to try to convey the full meaning of it in Hebrew.
I don't buy that, and I'll explain why in a moment.
Second, are all of these translations of names agreed upon as most accurate, or have they been selected to make more sense in a sentence?
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Sure look up their roots and you will get the same thing. Several of the names are already explained in the context.
Here are their roots. Several of them don't make sense in the sentence you gave:
Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Adam = origin word:119 to be red, red 120 man, mankind
Seth = origin word: to put, set 7896
Enos = origin word: man, mortal man, person, mankind 582
Kenan = origin word: nest 7064
Mahalaleel = origin word: praise, boast 4110 and 410 god, god-like one, mighty one
Jered or Jared = origin word: to go down, descend, decline, march down, sink down 3381
Enoch = origin word: to train, dedicate, inaugurate 2596
Methuselah = origin: male, man 4962 and weapon, missile, sprout missile, weapon a. sprout, shoot 7973
Lamech = unused root of uncertain meaning [however has no roots in common with the words used for lamentation or its roots]
Noah = origin word: resting place 5118
I actually did find a site which explained all of this, but I'll bet it's one you haven't ever tried to find, because it is a skeptical site.
The page cannot be found
Here are a few more definition lists from other sites:
1. Smith's Bible Dictionary
Smiths Bible Dictionary Online
2. Easton's Bible Dictionary
Eastons Bible Dictionary Online
3. Theological Word Book of the Old Testament
Strong's #04968 - - Old Testament Hebrew Lexical Dictionary - StudyLight.org
4. The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
1)Ad’am (red earth )
2) red, a Babylonian word, the generic name for man
3) "red"
4) "red"
1)Seth (compensation ),
2) appointed; a substitute
3) "compensation"
4) "compensation"
1)E’nos (mortal man ),
2) man the son of Seth
3) "man"
4) "man"
1)Ke’nan (possession )
2) Cainan possession; smith.
3) "possession"
4) "possession"
1)Mahal’ale-el (praise of God).
2) praise of God.
3) "praise of God"
4) "praise of God"
1)Ja’red (descent ),
2) descent.
3) "descent"
4) "descent"
1)E’noch (dedicated).
2) initiated.
3) "dedicated "
4) "dedicated"
1)Methu’selah (man of the dart )
2) man of the dart,
3) "man of the dart"
4) "man of the dart"
1)La’mech (powerful ),
2) the strikerdown; the wild man.
3) "powerful"
4) "powerful"
1)No’ah (rest ),
2) rest,
3) "motion"
4) "rest"
So, it seems some of the meanings of the words are not clear, and can mean different things. It is obvious that these meanings have been carefully chosen and sifted through to make a coherent sentence, but even then some English words had to be added to change the meaning to the desired one. In some cases, the meanings have been changed outright.
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Eve gave birth to Seth saying: God has appointed me a son.
The most common translation for "Seth" is "compensation".
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Some of the others are explained elsewhere like Methuselah: "His death shall bring" the flood.
The most common translation of "Methuselah" is "man of the dart".
As you can see, some serious liberties were taken to pick and choose and stretch and interpret the meanings of the words in your so-called amazing sentence.
Here's the sentence as you submitted it:
"Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest."
Now lets plug in the most common meanings (or just as common) for the names instead of the cherry picked ones:
"Red (is) compensation man posession; (but) praise of God descent dedicated (that) man of the dart (the) powerful rest."
Hmm, not really much like the first one, eh?
Now lets remove the added articles and punctuation:
"Red compensation man posession praise of God descent dedicated man of the dart powerful rest."
Even worse now, I'm afraid.
Does this sentence also form a grammatical sentence in ancienct Hebrew?
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Yep.
Source and evidence, please.
This message has been edited by schrafinator, 07-02-2004 09:05 AM
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