Internet Porn

"Is pornography merely a ruler that measure social interest in what really attracts us and is really attractive, profitable and realistic as concerns goals to shot for in the real world?" asks Mr. Kofh.I'd say, "Quite possibly." What is porn? What makes it appealing?Well, it isn't a body that has not been looked after? It isn't a pale, sickly complexion. It isn't old, torn clothes. Or baggy eyes and rotten teeth.We live in a most peculiar time. We are told to strive for the best. The perfect hybrid rose. The most streamlined automobile. The most intelligent scientist and the most dedicated doctor. The college football star.What happened to the human body? Why do "we" complain about Miss America contests and beauty contests, in general?Oh, people say that beauty is only skin deep and we shouldn't judge a person by their looks. That's fine. But why do we judge "everything" else by it's looks? From automobiles to the very food we eat we look at it first. To disavow the beauty of the human body is to go against nature.Studies have shown men prefer women with large breasts and good size hips. Why? Because women with good size hips generally have an easier time delivering babies. Breasts fed the offspring so the bigger the breasts the more food, so primitive man believed. The goal of man was to get a woman and reproduce. It's that simple.You write, "Porn is a measurement of how far we have taken "THIS."We haven't taken it anywhere. It has always been here with us. We are acknowledging it.An attractive, well-dressed or undressed, healthy looking human being is good. A human being that arouses sexual responses in the opposite sex is good. It is nature's way of letting us know that is a human being that we want to get to know.You mention abortions and divorce. You forget that society is changing.Does porno cause people to indulge in more sex? Perhaps, but why isn't there a condom machine installed in the video store? Does porno cause divorce and single parent families? Perhaps, but why hasn't society set up programs for single families and children?The point is sex has been with us since the beginning. Each and every generation and culture has done their damnest to quench it. Curse the people, ostracize them, punish them, make them pay for their "mistake"...on and on, round and round, generation after generation.You talk of honor, integrity, duty, and social responsibilty. Maybe those words mean placing condom machines in every public building and supporting day care programs just as we pay school taxes and honoring those whom have eaten right and exercised and maintained proper upkeep of their temples (bodies). Maybe a coupon for condoms with every porno rental?Come on, folks. The solutions for abortions and unexpected pregnancies are well within our capabilities to solve. We've beaten our heads against the wall concerning sex long enough. Let's turn the page.There is nothing wrong with sex. Let's, once and for all, put an end to the craziness that has surrounded it. It's normal. It's natural. It's good. Let's move on from there.

Absolutely!That is one of the main issues I take with anti-abortionists. They claim abortion is murder but how can anyone take them seriously when they cry murder and at the same time do everything in their power to prevent the distribution of condoms?What moral compass do they use? I can never get an answer to the question, "What is morally worse, using condoms that will prevent the need for a murder (abortion) or prohibiting condoms which results in one committing murder(abortion)?

That is the perfect example of why porn is necessary.There is another practice referred to as rimming(Rimming Facts and Safe Rimming - Violet Blue | Open Source Sex).Personally, I can not think of a more off-limits practice (disease being one major factor) but there are women whom enjoy pleasuring a man by such activity. When a woman asks a man to participate it certainly can not be considered misogynistic and pales in comparison to the "Dirty Sanchez".The point is who are we to judge the actions of two consenting adults? Who are we to stand back and decide that a certain sexual practice is humiliating or degrading or shows contempt for one's partner.What sex-loving man is going to humiliate his female partner and risk not enjoying further sex?It sounds like the conversation you overheard was that of young, naive kids.As Holmes explained earlier what sexual practices do we inform our children about? They are kept completely in the dark. The vast majority of times they are told to abstain and that's the totality of their education until they actually have sex. Perhaps throw in a few dire warnings for good measure. It has to be the most absurd of our cultural traditions.Sex. Something as common place as eating and sleeping. Something that everyone does, usually on a regular basis, the very act that brought us into the world, and we have demonized it.Why all the porno? Why all the abortions? Why all the disease? Because we, as a society, are badly screwed up and things will not get better until we change our whole outlook concerning sex.

You are quite correct. Perhaps I should have been more specific.The attributes that men look for in women have been considered sexist/shallow/perverted. However, the opposite is true. The attraction to shapely hips and breasts is much deeper than just looking for a pleasure partner.A proportional body which would normally accent the hips and breasts are a sign of a healthy person. A healthy body increases the likelihood of healthy offspring. Thus, when a man comments on a woman's figure he is looking to the future. He is making a responsible, intelligent judgement involving long range suitability.

There is plenty of data here http://psychology.unn.ac.uk/nick/EPlec07.htmA few excerpts."These sex differences in fat distribution can be assessed by measuring the waist at its narrowest point, and the hip at the level of the buttocks, and computing a waist-to-hip ratio (WHR). After puberty the female WHR becomes significantly lower than that of the male - A growing body of evidence indicates that the WHR is an accurate indicator of reproductive status; as circulating estrogen lowers WHR and testosterone raises it. For example, in girls of the same body weight, those with lower WHR’s exhibit earlier pubertal endocrine activity; whilst older women with higher WHR’s have greater difficulty in becoming pregnant... WHR also signals health status as the incidence of certain diseases (diabetes, hypertension, heart problems, strokes, etc) vary with body fat distribution - a high WHR indicates a greater propensity to have such problems.It is therefore likely that males would have evolved mechanisms (conscious or unconscious) to detect and use WHR to infer potential mate value; it is also likely that females could enhance their attractiveness by emphasising and advertising a low WHR through ornamentation and clothing."There is a natural, logical reason men check out the T & A. :-)

Hi Holmes,I've been reading your posts and thoroughly enjoy them. It's great to have a level, intelligent perspective. Keep up the good job!Just one point I want to clear up. Although I recommend condoms I do not feel they are the complete answer. Education is certainly necessary, however, it is doubtful any serious education will be forthcoming. Today's older teens have already made up their mind. It's too late for their education as regards changing their minds.As long as sex is demonized nothing will change. Abortions, disease...to many that is better than advocating anything that could remotely be considered condoning sex. They don't want safe sex. They don't want a solution to abortion and disease. They simply want to prohibit/limit/curtail sex. That's the whole reason nothing has or is being done.

Perhaps your vision of the world is myopic, Kofh.Some young people stay in school (university) and pursue more than one major. The "rush" is not to get an education and a job and married and kids and...and...andThere is no rush. Not everyone is interested in living the life "we" led. A job, a house, a mortgage, kids....Then there is sex. They practice safe sex and continue on with their lifestyle. They are not compelled to marry and accept all the baggage that goes with that part of life just so they can enjoy sex.You suggest young marriages. Why? Look at the people that get married young. Everyone tries to talk them into buying a house and condemning themselves to a 25 year mortgage. Well, if they have the house they may as well have kids, right? Perhaps a dog, too.Wasted youth. The time when energies are high, dreams can become realities, life is an exciting journey and there they are, in debt for 25 years, a baby that requires constant attention and a dog that requires walking.Why do you want to confine our youth? I wonder what motivates you to want to strap our youth into a self-made prison.Marriage at 28? Why not? Youth, let's say 18 to 25, is the time to study and learn about life, not necessarily live the life.Study, travel, experience what life has to offer before one decides on what they want in life. That is the lifestyle of the youth I know.
Learning about the world and the people in it. It appears you want to rob them of that. Why?

Yes, standards for body size vary between cultures. Societies with little food value a plump partner as it shows they are able to aquire the necessary nourishment for offspring.North American culture believes a shapely body is a healthy one. The point I was hoping to make is that the attraction to a "sexy" woman goes far deeper than just thinking about sex. Subconciously, we are evaluating the person and are attracted to the person as a potential mate although we may not be conciously aware of it. The same way we find a person more attractive that has blemish-free skin.The expression "Beauty is only skin deep" is a misconception. It is what is inside the person, the genes, the general healthiness, that makes the skin and, therefore, the person, beautiful.

I didn't see the film in question so I assumed the female was enjoying what was going on. My understanding was the woman enjoyed what the man was doing and the girls, hearing the story, wondered why anyone would like that being done.As for degrading women through porn it is a subjective thing. There is nothing degrading if the woman likes what is happening.In the film in question I assumed the woman liked what was transpiring so no degrading took place. Viewers may find it degrading but that is their personal feeling towards what is happening.Many folks like S&M. If we see someone whipped while naked we may assume they are being degraded, however, if the person being whipped enjoys it then they are not being degraded. This is why I feel no one has the right to interfere in what other people watch as regards porn.

"So it's clearly not as cut and dried as this"Perhaps not but who decides for the other person. If someone enjoys making porn who has the rightful authority to say that person suffers from Stockholm Syndrome? On which side do we err? Do we take away everyone's right to porn because of the possibility of Stockholm Syndrome? Do we use the old "I know what's best for you" argument?That's one of the main failings with our society. People look for certain elements in some activity and use that to outlaw the activity.Porn, gun control, marijuana use....Stockholm Syndrome, suicides, jumping off buildings??......compared to personal enjoyment, protecting one's property and easing the nausea of chemotherapy.Doesn't anyone understand the definition of "Free Country" or "Freedom"?

"What makes you think that all the people depicted in porn actually enjoy every single thing they are paid to do?" asks Schrafinator.They probably don't but who does like their job? I'm sure people working in a chocolate factory soon lose interest in chocolate.The point is the movie is portraying something that other people like. Some people enjoy having their face ejaculated upon. You and I may find it repulsive but others do not and that is the very point. Who are we to dictate to others what they are supposed to like?If someone is threatened to work in porn it is no different than being threatened to work in a factory. Porn is not the problem, the threat is. We have laws against threatening people.

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the existance of laws that preserve property are one of the hallmarks of not being free. I declare any society which incorporates private property is not a free society.

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Who do you feel should own all the property? The State? Should the State own all the property they would have the right to tell you what you could do on their property. One would be less free.

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While it may be true that boys use prostitutes, porn, and strippers to be playful, I wonder if it is also true that boys use these things because they are, as a result of our culture, emotionally repressed WRT interpersonal relationships, and therefore are uncomfortable with real intimacy and real relationships. They are raised to be less equipped to deal with all of the expectations of emotional participation their wives and girlfriends put upon them within these relationships, so they consume commercial sex simply because it is less scary and easier.

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I don't feel boys are less equipped to deal with the emotional aspects of relationship sex. It is more a matter of simply not feeling required to do so.Sex, being a natural drive, needs to be satisfied one way or another. Why all the unnecessary relationships and emotional baggage to accompany it? Porn is treating sex as any other activity, the way it should be.Imagine if having dinner with someone or playing golf or going shopping required two people to form a binding relationship? This is where porn is correcting a misconception that many in society hold.Sex is a natural activity for humans. We must remove the obstacles, the expected ceremony, the false mystique surrounding it.

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Your claim was that porn actors wouldn't do something in a porn movie unless they liked it, but that's not true.

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I never stated that. Those were the words of another poster.Probably there are things a porn actor will do that he/she does not like. So what? There are probably things you do at work that you don't like. It is a job.There are people whom watch porn that like what the actor does and that's the whole point of making a film.

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I'll bet you wouldn't be saying this if birth control wasn't freely available. Children are the "natural" consequence of all of this free and easy sex you advocate; are you prepared to support all of the offspring produced?

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Of course birth control changes the situation but what of the offspring produced? People whine because there are not enough children being born.That's the strange thing about this whole discussion. I hear people complain that there are not enough children to support pension plans, etc. yet they rant and rave about children being born to unwed/young mothers. What's the mentality behind their thinking? They want children in the world but want someone else to look after them? They say children are special, important, a gift of life but, hey, don't look at me to pay for child care, etc. Does the word "selfish" ring a bell?Let's be honest about it. It's all about sex no matter how one slices it. "We all love kids except when they're born to unwed mothers. Unwed mothers/women whom aren't able to support kids should not bear children but we are against the free distribution/family time advertizing of condoms." What other conclusion can be drawn?If unwanted children are the problem then society should start a public awareness campaign. Look how drinking and driving changed in one generation.How many deaths were caused by DUI? If anti-abortionists believe abortion is murder then ADS like the DUI ADS should be broadcast on TV, at all hours. No condom/no sex. Certainly there are more abortions than there were deaths by DUI. See what I mean?When it comes to sex society uses twisted logic.