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JonF
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Message 131 of 306 (174520)
01-06-2005 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Soplar
01-06-2005 2:56 PM


Re: ResponseRe: Darwin to Mayr
we are now at your response 127 and this has only been going for a couple weeks
Shucks, that's nothin' ... hot threads can get that many posts in a very few days.
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JonF
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Message 219 of 306 (175991)
01-11-2005 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Percy
01-11-2005 8:11 PM


Re: Jumping to Conclusions
We know that the mutations occurred during the bacterial reproductive process because these experiments have also been performed on bacterial populations raised from a single bacteria
And, although the change that confers resistance in any particular experiment often differs (that's the way evolution works), in many cases we can identify the change and show that it was not present in the original bacterium is present in the final population. For example, in many experiments resistance to streptomycin is conferred by a single point mutation in the rpsL gene, coding for a particular ribosomal protein (S12). "AAA" in codon 42 mutates to either "ACA" or "AGA" and the bacterium laughs at streptomycin. See, for example, Novel ribosomal mutations affecting translational accuracy, antibiotic resistance and virulence of Salmonella typhimurium.

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JonF
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Message 220 of 306 (175995)
01-11-2005 8:42 PM
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01-11-2005 8:14 PM


Re: Percipacity?
Evolution is merely an assumption before and after the antibiotic is introduced.
There may be SOME example somewhere of mutation and selection working together, but this is selection alone--the mutation event is not proved in this case.
Sorry, wrong. The mutation event is proven. In many of the experiments, literally thousands of them, the fact that a random mutation conferred the antibiotic resistance is a result of measurements, not assumptions. A little simplistically put you start with one bacterium, sequence its genome, grow a culture from it, introduce the antibiotic, grow the survivors, re-introduce the antibiotic, and repeat until you have a mostly resistant population. Then sequence the genome of a few of the resistant populaation, compare it to the original, note the differences, then run other tests to determine what the differences do.
See, for example, the link I posted in my message just above this one. {edited to add: see also Acquisition of Certain Streptomycin-Resistant (str) Mutations Enhances Antibiotic Production in Bacteria.}
Evolution is not assumed, it is measured.
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Message 225 of 306 (176158)
01-12-2005 8:12 AM
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01-11-2005 8:48 PM


Re: rpsL, rpsD, rpsE, & ram
What words do those abbreviations stand for?
AFAIK they aren't abreviations, although they may be. I think they're just names.

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