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Author Topic:   Evolution is a basic, biological process
Wounded King
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Message 185 of 306 (175477)
01-10-2005 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by nator
01-10-2005 10:23 AM


What he means should be quite clear. In America the title 'Professor' is often given to any teaching academic. An assistant professor only needs a PhD and is the entry level position in North America (or so Wikipedia informs me). The equivalent in the UK would be a Lecturer, or possibly a junior lecturer. After that going up the ranks of 'professorship' is simply career advancement.
In the UK being a professor is usually tied to a specific 'Chair' and chairs must be available or created for a position to be taken up. So a professor in the UK is generally considered to be one of the top people in a particular field, at least nationally.
I first came across this when an American student kept calling one of our professors 'Doctor', with the given reason being that many 'professors' in the states did not in fact have doctorates.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 288 of 306 (181992)
01-31-2005 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 287 by TheLiteralist
01-31-2005 5:45 AM


Re: Observing Evolution Under the Microscope???
Your whole genome comparison comparison should make it fairly evident what sort of genetic changes have occurred. If all you detect are point mutations then it is very unlikely that any sort of genomic re-arrangement was involved.
I get the impression that nearly ANYTIME you add an antibiotic to any bacterial population, you soon wind up with a resistant population (due to extermination of all non-resistant types). This just seems a little quaint to me if RANDOM MUTATIONS are the key factor.
Your impression is incorrect. If it was then molecular biologists would have a much harder time of it. The usual method for producing large amounts of DNA is using an antibiotic resistant plasmid carrier in a bacterial line. If any bacterial population would evolve resistance when exposed to an antibiotic then we would not be able to screen for plasmid containing bacteria. It may be true when you have multiple exposures for very large populations, but it certainly isn't true for all populations.
A comparison of antibiotic resistance based on initial concentration of the bacterial culture should answer the question of how the resistance arises. If the mechanism is along the pre-programmed variability spectrum you suggest then a much smaller initial concentration should have at least one resistant individual than if the resistance arises from random variation throughout the genome.
I can't give you the right sort of figures off hand, but I'm sure that both systems could be modelled sufficiently to get some reasonable ball park figures, or at least the straight forward traditional random mutation could be, your model seems a little sketchy at the moment and therefore it may be rather hard to predict what the values would be, but the expected frequency of resistant bacteria should certainly be higher than in a traditional model.
(Edited to add) Actually in retrospect there are some already recognised chromosome rearranging or mutation rate altering strategies which have been observed in bacteria under stress, the problem is that these are very rarely directional in anyway. If all you are doing is creating a new source of random variation I don't see how you are changing the situation in regards to the origin of the trait. Survival strategies relying in increased rates of random mutation still have random mutation as the key factor.
TTFN,
WK
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Wounded King
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Message 299 of 306 (182192)
02-01-2005 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 298 by TheLiteralist
01-31-2005 4:16 PM


Re: About Them Islands
Well, I'll have to go over that other stuff about mitochondria and chloroplasts again (as it's all new info for me). My main thought is that nothing about this is random mutations working together with natural selection; and, therefore, is not evolution at all. But I'll need to re-read it all.
Certainly the initial engulfing of the future endosymbiont is a good example of Lamarckian inheritance, but the subsequent changes the bacteria have undergone from free-living to obligate endosymbiont can mostly be ascribed to random mutation and natural selection.
A good review of evolutionary changes in the mitochondrial genome is Kurland and Andersson(2000)
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 305 of 306 (182312)
02-01-2005 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by NosyNed
02-01-2005 10:18 AM


Re: New Thread
There is already a "Non-mendelian genetics/ non-darwinian evolution" thread in the Biological Evolution forum.
TTFN,
WK

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