The Prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel

starman writes:That says nothing, since biblical claims cover eternity. As well as the whole history of earth, from start to end, and on into infinity, and beyond.

starman writes:The last seven year period is part of the 70 week vision concerning Israel, but not the focus of the thread.

starman writes:That is more a topic for believers.

starman writes:The raw fact that all the major kingdoms of earth, especially affecting the area surrounding Israel, were spelled out, even named, in many cases is what might best be looked at in a science forum that goes toward evidence that the bible is not on par with other books of man.

IAJ writes: If a prophesy is made to happen by the power of a sword or the rake - it is not prophesy. A prophesy must also be vindicated in OPEN form [as opposed a shrouded one], and ideally occur when it is least plausable - so none can say it was the result of natural forces. A prohesy first applies to its contemporary time, if there is a clear connection with the prophesy with events occuring at that time.The most powerful and greatest prophesy is when a precide date is nominated, as with Joseph predicting the saving and death of two prisoners - at a precise time and day, and the forthcoming 7 years of properity and famine: nowhere was prophesy greater than at this instant. The only time the time factor being nominated is not applicable, is when it is declared by God, which constitutes the greatest prophesies ever made:

starman writes:Real world evidence? The santuary really was destroyed, by a kingdom which really did exist, after Jesus, who really came in the real world was actually kiiled. All this in real years, just as the prophesy, given long ago in this same real world points out.

starman writes:My imagination has squat to do with the clear fulfillments of this prediction. I never brought Israel back together, gave the order that they could rebuild, and sent a savior after so many years as is written. Or thousands of other things recorded!! Nothing silly at all about a demo from the master of the universe, that can only be explained bu One that was there ahead of time.

starman writes:Where the week represents, of course a group of seven. In this case, only years can apply, and obviously did apply, and does apply. If you ignore the rest of the bible, and history, to try to make the sevens anything else, you get lost in a limbo land where up is not up, Israel is not Israel, the temple is not the temple, and where all that matters is your pipe dreams.

starman writes: Then you have nothing at all.Questioning a historical Jesus is a dead duck."The "proof" for the existence of Christ can be found in three main sources. The argument for the existence of Jesus is strengthened because the person of Jesus Christ is mentioned by independent Christian, Jewish, and Roman sources. Obviously the person of Jesus is mentioned quite thoroughly in the New Testament and other early Christian writings but Jesus is also mentioned by the Jewish historian Josephus. The fact that Josephus, a practicing Jew and a man who was not actively involved Christian circles and not part of the early church mentions the existence of Jesus of Nazareth in his writings definitely gives credence to the argument for the existence of Jesus Christ. In turn, another of the most credible arguments for the existence of Jesus Christ are the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus. Tacitus was a Roman historian who also mentioned the existence of the crucifixion of Jesus in his writings. In turn, the writings of Tacitus are viewed by historians as crucial to not only understanding early Middle Eastern history but also what we know of early Germanic tribes in Europe. In essence, while the divinity of Jesus is not something that can be proven historically, the historical community is quite sure that a person named Jesus did live in the Middle East two thousand years ago and can look to independent historical sources to strengthen their argument."

starman writes: Questioning that He lived at the time the 69 weeks were up, and died is not an option. You might as well talk about last thursdayism.

starman writes: Or that the sanctuary did get destroyed, ask around, a little thing called history. 70 AD.

What's left? That Babylon was first, then Medo Peria, then Greece then Rome?? That is no secret. That Daniel's visions made that clear? I don't see anyone making any case at all against that. Someone piped up about trying to have Greece exist after it was done and gone as the major Israel area world power. That was dealt with, and was a weak and convoluted little thing anyhow.

Brian writes: The common accepted date for composition is around 165 BCE, which makes the prophecies redundant.