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doctrbill
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Message 173 of 365 (472613)
06-23-2008 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Buzsaw
06-22-2008 11:33 PM


"Christ David"
buzsaw writes:
You're mistaken there, Ramoss.
I don't think so, Buzzy.
'Messiah' is the Latinized form of messias, which is a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew mashiyach (the anointed one).
'Christ' is the Anglicized form of the Latin christos, which is a transliteration of a Greek translation (christos) of the Hebrew mashiyach (the anointed one).
Beginning in the sixteenth century, the word 'Christ' has been methodically and purposefully stricken from the Old Testament by translating it from the Greek (and Latin), to the English 'anointed.' For a classic example of how the term was once understood we need only refer to the first ever English translation of the Bible by John Wycliffe, a man who is honored as "Father of the Protestant Reformation." At Psalm 17:51 {18:50 in modern Bibles} Wycliffe renders the Vulgate's "christo suo David" as "his crist Dauid." The Vulgate agrees with the Septuagint here and the Septuagint agrees with the Hebrew. Thus, we see in Wycliffe's simple English, the sense of this verse as it was during the first two thousand years of its biblical existence! Modern Bibles uniformly present it as: "his anointed." Even so it is clear by all that is holy reasoning, it should read:
"Christ David"
- In the New Testament, by contrast, the Greco-Roman term Christ is never translated.
By this means Christianity presents a false dichotomy which exaggerates the significance of Jesus as compared to other sons of David.

Theology is the science of Dominion.
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doctrbill
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Message 181 of 365 (472674)
06-23-2008 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Buzsaw
06-23-2008 6:10 PM


Re: "Christ David"
buzsaw writes:
Well then I, Buzsaw, according to the Greek can lay claim to "the anointed one."
No. You can't. Wrong culture. Wrong century. Wrong office. How flipantly you dismiss precious truth gleaned from true Bible study; and completely ignore the devastating conclusion to which it leads.
I provided a bonafide dictionary definition of each word and no way do they interchange as per definition.
Who would expect a modern English dictionary to deal effectively with questions of ancient language? You Buz? Or someone wishing to avoid the issue? An honest seeker of truth might consult a good lexicon, like Young's or Strong's. Perhaps that is too much to ask?
Cyrus ... does in no way fit the ticket for Biblical messiah.
No one has claimed that he does.
You people who claim so are just showing your ignorance of Biblical doctrine,
I can appreciate your animosity, y'old Fart, but you should attack us for what we say, not what you'd like to imagine we have said.
If you can't even accept the dictionary definition of these word/terms, then I can't help you.
No one is rejecting the dictionary definitions, although many realize that they are inadequate. A good concordance/lexicon is much more revealing. Do you object to consulting the great experts on biblical Hebrew and Greek?
BTW Buz: We are not seeking your assistance.

Theology is the science of Dominion.
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