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Author Topic:   All Knowing God proves problematic
New Cat's Eye
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Message 46 of 82 (491480)
12-16-2008 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Chessmaster
12-07-2008 6:24 PM


a simple hand-wave
An omnipotent god could create a universe in which determinism and free will coexist.

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Message 78 of 82 (734082)
07-25-2014 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
07-25-2014 3:00 AM


Re: Attitude
Its amazing to observe the attitudes of those who challenge God.
I find your attitude more amazing: That someone who challenges your opinion about god must be challenging god, himself. And further, that they do it out of some form of spite.
If God is our Father, then we our his children. Father's have duties to their children. They owe them things.
Especially, an all-knowing father. For they completely understand the ramifications of their inaction.

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Message 81 of 82 (734097)
07-25-2014 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by NoNukes
07-25-2014 2:08 PM


Re: Attitude
I just don't understand the sentiment expressed by you and a couple of others in this thread. I can certainly imagine that God cares and wants to be involved, and I believe that God does care. But I don't see any moral obligation to interfere in our fate.
Phat said that God owes us nothing. You seem to agree that parents owe their children some things.
I don't think that God owes any individual some sort of interference, but he owes us, as his children, at least some things. Like you said, a good upbringing, at least, fits the bill.
Treated properly, the earth is reasonably safe, and sufficient for billions of us to live for a nearly unimaginatively long period of time. It looks to me like we are going to screw that up. Why isn't that on us?
It is. And, assumingly, God has provided us with that good upbringing. I didn't mean to imply that he owes us more stuff right now. I just think its wrong to say that God owes us nothing. Especially if he's gonna say he's our father.
ABE:
Why isn't that on us?
Given an all-knowing Father, wouldn't they share some of the responsibility in setting up their creation with the foreknowledge that we'd fuck it up?
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : typo

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