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Author Topic:   All Knowing God proves problematic
subbie
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Message 20 of 82 (491119)
12-11-2008 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jaywill
12-08-2008 7:39 AM


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I do not intend to try to reconcile this contradiction.... Reconciling this is too difficult for me.
Just curious. Is there any limit to the number of contradictions you are capable of swallowing before you succomb to cognitive dissonance? Or, in the words of Henry Drummond, "Do you think about the things that you do think about?"

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 31 of 82 (491244)
12-12-2008 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by straightree
12-12-2008 6:18 PM


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The subject of omniescience is all that can be known. If something has a nature that makes it impossible to be known, it can not be included in omniscience. Since a free choice, that results from the faculty of free will is not a priory knowble, it does not pertain to the omniscience realm.
A cogent, clear resolution to the contradiction. Of course, it depends on a certain definition of omniscience. Do you have any evidence that your definition is the one that people of faith use when they are talking about an omniscient god?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 33 of 82 (491249)
12-12-2008 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by straightree
12-12-2008 6:49 PM


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The population of people of faith is not uniform.
Granted.
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I only can say that I am in a section of this people that uses this definition.
And I acknowledge that there are those who take this approach. Would you acknowledge that there are those who do not? That some, perhaps most, instead hold the seemingly contradictory view that is the subject of this thread?
This dichotomy of views raises the following question: which of the views is more consistent with the bible's description of god as omniscient?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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