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Author Topic:   All Knowing God proves problematic
truthlover
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Message 7 of 82 (491029)
12-10-2008 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Chessmaster
12-07-2008 6:24 PM


Well, if he, or it, is really all knowing, then before he even decided I was to be born, he KNEW, or KNOWS, if I will go to hell or heaven. IN WHICH CASE, no matter what I do on this earth, how I act of behave, is not going to change the truth that he has foreseen. So, I may aswell not try and just enjoy my life and let it come naturally.
If this is Logic 101 and I'm taking a test, then I write false as to whether this "if...then" statement is true.
I got a strong A in Logic 101.
Your reasoning here doesn't make any sense to me. While it's true that God may know you're foolish enough to use this kind of reasoning to live with no effort and thus condemn you, it's also true that you could decide to live life with effort in order to please God. In that case, God would know in advance that you are not going to be condemned.
Either way, God knows what's going to happen, but you get to be the person who made the wise or foolish choice.

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truthlover
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Message 14 of 82 (491104)
12-11-2008 5:04 PM
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12-11-2008 11:15 AM


But if a person decides to do something different than what God knows he will do, then by simple logic the part of the initial assumption about God's omniscience is incorrect.
You've got the cart before the horse here. That's where the problem lies.
Despite the difference in time, it's the person's decision that God foreknows, so it's the person's decision that comes first. What they decide is what they decide. Suggesting that foreknowledge--in the case of God--is true is simply postulating that God can "guess" perfectly what they decide.
What your statement above says is that there's a decision you can make that God foreknew, but then you can change that decision. If God can foreknow the decision, then he can foreknow you were going to change your mind. None of that means he decided for you.

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