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Author Topic:   The Bible on Sex, Love, and Marriage
arachnophilia
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Message 3 of 302 (149722)
10-13-2004 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dan Carroll
10-13-2004 1:17 PM


here's some healthy attitudes for you:
1Cr 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
1Cr 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
ok, so marriage is bad in general. just marry for sex, so that you don't piss off god and go to hell. but sex is strongly disadvised.
Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
so, even though sex is bad, the only good thing a woman can do, and the only way she can be saved is by popping out babies. as for everything else, well, she should shut up, stay at home, and do dishes. (as implied in the greek)
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
looking is just as bad as adultery.
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
well, being gay is bad too, but i particularly like the phrase "use of women"
1Cr 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Cr 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Cr 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1Cr 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
burkas anyone? this one continues:
1Cr 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
sounds like a fun marriage.
Lev 15:17 And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
forced to agree with this one. semen can be a BITCH to get out.
Lev 15:19 And if a woman have an issue, [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
is it polite to ask a girl if she's menstruating before i shake her hand?
Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
Gen 38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
don't pull out.
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arachnophilia
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Message 4 of 302 (149726)
10-13-2004 5:06 PM
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10-13-2004 1:17 PM


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arachnophilia
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Message 18 of 302 (150014)
10-14-2004 10:03 PM
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10-13-2004 6:09 PM


The bible declares that the husband is the person that God has chosen to be the leader.
bear in mind the context of this statement. it's a curse, like the curse on man, and curse on the serpent.
quote:
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

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arachnophilia
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Message 19 of 302 (150016)
10-14-2004 10:11 PM
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10-13-2004 7:08 PM


If you read the verses that Arach. supplied above, there's no "think" about it. Women are second-class, both in the OT and to at least one of the guys that wrote under the name of Paul.
oh, i was hardly being fair.
verses like this suggest equality:
quote:
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
quote:
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
women, traditionally in the ot times were not second-class per se. they just had separate roles to play.
it's not until the time of paul, with the greek infusion that sex (and therefore somehow women) becomes evil. earlier traditions could have been written to be alot more condescending of women. for instance, the eve story. adam gets just as much blame as eve, who gets just as much blame as the serpent, and all three are cursed. compare this to say, pandora's box, a greek myth. there, a woman alone is responsible for bringing evil into the world.
those verse i posted were more in spite of paul than the rest of the bible. i don't like paul.

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arachnophilia
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Message 21 of 302 (150045)
10-15-2004 5:17 AM
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10-14-2004 11:12 PM


Cranky old misygonist!
among other things.

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arachnophilia
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Message 26 of 302 (150177)
10-15-2004 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by dpardo
10-15-2004 1:22 PM


you can ALMOST read a healthy attitude into that verse, which is why i didn't post it the first time around. it's too ambiguous. it says that men should lead, but at the same time be considerate. that's nice and all, but it still promotes male dominance of the family.
also, please read it in context of the other paul verses i posted on the page before. paul clearly does not like women.

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arachnophilia
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Message 28 of 302 (150195)
10-15-2004 6:37 PM
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10-15-2004 6:22 PM


we reading different books here?
quote:
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
sounds like male dominance to me. i don't care if he says that men should be good masters of their wives, he still says that men should be masters of their wives.

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arachnophilia
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Message 37 of 302 (150249)
10-15-2004 11:08 PM
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10-15-2004 8:09 PM


The model here is that we should love our wives as Christ loved the church.
How did Christ love the church?
i get the feeling you didn't read my post.
quote:
i don't care if he says that men should be good masters of their wives, he still says that men should be masters of their wives.

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arachnophilia
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Message 46 of 302 (150374)
10-16-2004 9:39 PM
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10-16-2004 6:22 PM


you do know that i already posted all of those, right?

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