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Steve
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Message 289 of 311 (116617)
06-19-2004 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Mr. Bound
05-31-2004 10:28 PM


Leadership
Any CEO will tell you, there has to be clear leadership, usually someone who makes quick, unemotional decisions, which I believe are strong male characteristics. A biblical leader, like Jesus, is to be a servant, like Jesus.
The man being the spiritual leader, which many forget to say, not just leader, by no means implies he is more important, no more than a mother is more important than a father because she is the one God chose to bare the child for 9 months.
That's why I think Americans struggle with the word leader, because the apply the conotation of telling everyone what to do and never lifting a finger, but that's exactly NOT what a biblical leader is. A biblical leader is someone who does the little things, or the things that no one else wants to do.
Both men and women in marriage are called on by God to be servants. Plain and simple.

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Steve
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Message 292 of 311 (116662)
06-19-2004 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by 1.61803
06-19-2004 1:30 AM


Re: Leadership
Woman, of course, biblically speaking, can make great leaders. There is nothing in the bible saying that a woman should not be a leader, what it does say is that the man should be the be responsible for spiritual leadership role in the house.
Often times however, the man neglects to take this responsiblity and then it falls on the women to assume these responsibilites along with what I call managerial responsiblities.
I think that women make better manager than leaders, while men make better leaders than managers because their thought processes are more inclined to these different functions, this does not mean that one cannot perform the other function, but it's simply how God created man and woman.
In general, woman are emotional or think more with their heart, while men are, in general, more logical and think with their brain. Neither way is better than the other, but one is usually more suitable for specific situations as opposed to others.
We all know of woman who have made great leaders, but in general this is usually a role, and not simply because of machismo, characteristically take up by men.
This is comman sense if one simply observes the world around him.

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Steve
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Message 295 of 311 (116772)
06-19-2004 10:57 PM
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06-19-2004 11:30 AM


Re: Leadership
Experience in the real world will tell you that women are more emotionally sensative while men are not.
True wisdom is found in the heart. Many decisions are made without using the brain.

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Steve
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Message 298 of 311 (116781)
06-19-2004 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by crashfrog
06-19-2004 11:09 PM


Man, the truth is that men, in general, make better leaders than women. That does not make men more important or more valuable than women. Women make better managers than men.
To state otherwise is to be totally disconnected from real life. That isn't just some cultural artifact, that's truth right there. You have to recognize that.
But the point of this thread is that the bible does NOT place women in a lower position of less value then men. There is no machismo in the bible.
My question for anybody who is on this thread that talks about the bible is this. Have you read the whole thing?

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Steve
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Message 300 of 311 (116943)
06-20-2004 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by crashfrog
06-19-2004 11:45 PM


well what is your experience with leadership?

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Steve
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Message 303 of 311 (116955)
06-21-2004 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by jar
06-20-2004 11:27 PM


I am talking about my experience. But the important point, is that the bible calls on men to be spiritual leaders of their household, in their marriage.
The bible never says that woman cannot be leaders in other situations.
But the fact still remains, based on my experience, that men, being quicker decision makers, less concerned with everyone's perspective, and being more aggressive by nature, are suited for leadership.
Again, there are women with these qualities in large amounts, but they are masculine traits, not feminine.
And masculine traits are not better or more important than feminine. They balance each other out, which is why God made man and woman that way, so that we would need one another.
Guys, ask any woman what kind of guy she wants, and she'll tell you, one who takes the lead and she can follow. Not one who forces her to follow, but one that she wants to follow.
Now before you respond to this post, ask some women, objectively, without insinuating anything and see what you get. Make it perfect strangers.
If you're still not convinced that men make better leaders, in general, than women, I don't know what to tell you but it may make a difference in your relationships!

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Steve
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Message 306 of 311 (116961)
06-21-2004 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by crashfrog
06-21-2004 12:10 AM


What were these supposed many college leadership positions?
I'm sorry to hear you were a dictator.
What were the actual outcomes of your being the leader? Increased participation, revenue, or awareness?
How did it compare to the women?
But back to the point, the bible, and Christianity does not subjugate women.
On the other hand, religion usually does.
By the way, did you try that little survey I suggested?

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Steve
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Message 308 of 311 (116985)
06-21-2004 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by crashfrog
06-21-2004 12:40 AM


peace
Judging by these student organizations I sumize that it's quite clear that you've never actually been a leader.
Christianity is absolutely NOT a religion! Another thread if you so desire, but a religion Christianity is not.
Let me close this session by stating that if I were a solder going into battle I'd rather have a man leading than a woman.
What about you?

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Steve
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Message 310 of 311 (117067)
06-21-2004 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 309 by crashfrog
06-21-2004 2:08 AM


Christianity is a relationship, NOT a religion.
You really shouldn't even be on this forum if you don't have your facts right.
Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ. Everything else is to help that relationship.
Religion is Islam, Buddhism, etc...man's way of getting to God.
Religion is rules
Christianity is neither of these.
Since being on a forum like this is new to me and I can't really see the benefit of it, I think it might be a waist of time.
Especially since I can see that you and the majority of peopel that post here have no life. You have no real world experience in the things you talk about or at least a clear understanding of real world scenarios. It's like having a discussion with an idealistic child.
When you think that Christianity is a religion than there is nothing else that can be said until you understand that you are wrong and that Christianity is a relationship.
peace

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