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purpledawn
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Message 115 of 311 (103352)
04-28-2004 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Atos
04-20-2004 9:53 AM


Re: Women and Religion - yes it angers me
As the oldest child and a daughter I worked with my father on the farm, cutting trees, wrestling cows, running the bulldozer etc., but within the church I'm not allowed to serve communion!
When serving the church as a secretary, the men can waste money because they don't know how to manage money and are insulted when I show them that the preacher is double dipping. I am the troublemaker and don't know my place.
My husband and I run our household together. We defer to the one with the knowledge or experience. I am the disciplinarian in the household. The children listen to me. So do my neices and nephews. Even the animals we have jump when I snap my fingers.
When we both worked we both maintained the home as per our talents. When he made enough that I didn't need to work outside the home, I became the household manager. Notice I said manager and not housekeeper. BTW we have been married for 30 years and we don't argue.
My husband manages our money, but I manage my mother's money and the farm since my father passed. My brother doesn't have the brains for it.
Needless to say I don't fit well in a church atmosphere. I am an American. I was not born in Gallilee or the surrounding areas. I am not governed by Roman laws or Jewish laws. I am governed by the laws of my culture and country.
Ancient Judaism is a tribal religion. As you can see when you take a tribal religion and try to impose it on a different culture, everything doesn't fit. So they have to pick and choose.
Our culture is very different than the first century Roman empire. Men don't wear robes and dresses (for lack of a better term) anymore, we don't wear only sandals on our feet, we don't go the well to haul up water, and definitely not riding donkeys etc. Women are not property in this country.
So yes it angers me that Christian churches wish to keep women in the first century when we are so far past that. Plus if you've read the news lately women are choosing to stay home with the children. Our culture is finally starting to appreciate that skill and not rating it as a job that anyone can do. It takes skill to manage a household and not be a slave to it.
My husband is head of household in the sense that his name gets to go first on the tax forms.
God did not make women second class and neither did Jesus. We have fought our way out and I don't plan to go backwards.

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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3487 days)
Posts: 4453
From: Indiana
Joined: 04-25-2004


Message 124 of 311 (103476)
04-28-2004 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Buzsaw
04-28-2004 12:53 PM


Re: Women and Religion - yes it angers me
I'm not a scholar so bear with me.
From what I have read in trying to find out why churches have such a problem with women, the jewish women were not allowed to speak or sing in the synagogues. On the norm, the marriages were arranged by the parents. The women were more involved with the religious practices in the home. The women were allowed to work outside the home not that there were a lot of options then. (selling in the marketplace what was made at home) According to Jewish teachings the women were created equal with men. But when I check out Jewish websites I still find women chaffing at keeping silent and separate in the synagogues.
Just as in Christianity what is taught does not always come out in practice.
Now my info may be wrong, but no matter what century you pick our culture has changed. I remember when girls couldn't wear slacks in school. Even in my lifetime a lot has changed.
Just as bell bottomed pants have come back, I also realize that various practices can cycle around as cultures continue through time.
I wasn't born in the culture when the NT supposedly took place and I wasn't born in the time it may have been written. So Christianity needs to find a better argument for shutting me up in church or requiring I be submissive to a husband. Mutual respect works much better.

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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3487 days)
Posts: 4453
From: Indiana
Joined: 04-25-2004


Message 133 of 311 (103726)
04-29-2004 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by coffee_addict
04-28-2004 6:16 PM


Re: Women and Religion - yes it angers me
Oddly enough, the deeper I read the OT and NT the more questions I had. The more questions I had, the more I read on ancient religions including those in North America. so with that and researching the ancient functions of priests/holymen, the history of Christianity and Judasim, the rose colored glasses fell off.
I asked too many of the wrong questions in bible study and didn't get answers. So I didn't get asked back to bible studies. I had to do my own studies independently which led me down various paths. So I am in the process of changing lanes so to speak.
NOTE: I think everyone ought to be able to cook an edible meal. My husband knows how to cook. Since being married to me he's even learned to prepare more from scratch.

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