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Author Topic:   Must religion be logical?
anastasia
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Message 109 of 164 (374693)
01-05-2007 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Brian
01-05-2007 5:11 AM


Re: more "so what?" assertions.
Brian writes:
But this just says he was made man, it doesn't say he was changed from God into a human. It could be that He was made to look like a man.
Et incarnatus est, from the creed, says more than God looked like a man. It say He was made flesh. And I might note that 'God was made man' is NOT there, but rather, God IS made man, not in the past tence, but eternally.
But you said that God (Jesus) had become a man, so since there is only one God, who was the God that turned Jesus back into God again and who was the God that raised Jesus from the dead?
So it is that the doctrine of the Trinity, no matter how insensible, is the only sensible thing which works based on our knowledge.

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anastasia
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Message 112 of 164 (374699)
01-05-2007 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Kader
01-05-2007 9:51 AM


Re: Gish Gallop
Kader writes:
If you don't understand, well simply put. If you never heard of Jesus, you will not experience anything concerning Jesus. It has never happened that a missionary went to some indian village to preach Jesus and found an little indian who already found him. You get my point ?
The point is, that if you go to some foreign land and find a little Indian who already does what the gospel teaches, the Indian already knows God.

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anastasia
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Message 114 of 164 (374702)
01-05-2007 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Kader
01-05-2007 12:05 PM


Re: Gish Gallop
Kader writes:
I mean I believe in gravity
Seriously, man, you don't believe in gravity. You know about gravity.

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anastasia
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Message 117 of 164 (374705)
01-05-2007 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Brian
01-05-2007 11:59 AM


Re: more "so what?" assertions.
Brian writes:
Which could suggest that Jesus isn’t God
I only mean to be objective and not deny that to someone else the mystery of the trinity is not exactly the same mystery that my belief presents, and entirely as valid, but it does sound like if God became man and was still God in heaven, and just a man on earth, then it sounds mysteriously the same as God making just another man and then turning him into God after he dies.

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anastasia
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Message 119 of 164 (374707)
01-05-2007 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Kader
01-05-2007 12:27 PM


Re: Gish Gallop
Kader writes:
And what the indian would be doing
Th Indian would be doing the best he can to be a good person based on the knowledge that he has.

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anastasia
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Message 123 of 164 (374711)
01-05-2007 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Kader
01-05-2007 12:44 PM


Re: Gish Gallop
Kader writes:
But how come I don't know God ?
I can't judge you personally. I say, if you are trying honestly to love your neighbor because it is the right thing to do, not because you have to, then you have already acknowledged the 'truth' of the Bible and the message of Jesus. You DO believe in God, or at the least you are sure that there is a right and a wrong. It is only a matter of time before you say 'why?' is it right? It is probably more difficult to reason backwards than to start with God and ask 'why'? But it has been known to happen. You know God already, but you don't believe in Him. I think He will find you, as long as you don't let logic be your enemy instead of your friend.

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anastasia
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Message 126 of 164 (374714)
01-05-2007 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Brian
01-05-2007 12:51 PM


Re: Re the trinity
Brian writes:
I decided against it!
There is nothing new under the sun, just five thousand ways of looking at the same old stiff.

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anastasia
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Message 128 of 164 (374716)
01-05-2007 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Brian
01-05-2007 12:59 PM


Brian writes:
It may well be a hangover from my Christian days but anyone who wasn't convinced 100% that Jesus is God, that is convinced in their heart, then they weren't considered to be a Christian at all.
What are they? Muslim? Or Jehova's Witness?
If I really thought I could be wrong about my atheism I would be an agnostic.
Which equals 'I KNOW GOd does not exist' and is just as foolish as claiming to KNOW He does exist. But without the redeeming cutesy mushiness that goes with it.

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anastasia
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Message 130 of 164 (374721)
01-05-2007 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Brian
01-05-2007 1:11 PM


rescinded
Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

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anastasia
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Message 135 of 164 (374761)
01-05-2007 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Kader
01-05-2007 3:42 PM


Kader writes:
I do, and not only me, lots of people (muslim, atheist, buddhist..)
That is true, and I believe many of them will reach eternal life as well. Just remember, not knowing Jesus does not mean not knowing God. Believing in God and having some particular ideas about Him wrong does not mean you don't know God. But knowing about God and still doing bad things is where the problem is.
Yes I'm sure that there is a right and wrong, but I don't see how that makes me believe in God. Do you mean without God there is no Right and Wrong ?
I like to picture that the Right IS God.
I don't think I should either find God or that he needs to find me
Well, ya sure do ask a lot of questions about Him! Maybe part of the reason you can't find Him is because you act like you already know the answers to your questions.
But if Im not baptised, will I go to hell even if I was a good person ?
I believe in a baptism of desire type of thing. If you are really trying to do what is right because you think it was meant to be, then you can be considered to be desiring to be a part of the kingdom of God.

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anastasia
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Message 145 of 164 (374853)
01-05-2007 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by ringo
01-05-2007 11:43 PM


Apparently I am not as 'deep' as some of you, but where is the whole idea of God creating darkness coming from?

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