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Author Topic:   Must religion be logical?
Greatest I am
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Message 150 of 164 (380815)
01-28-2007 10:40 PM


Logic
I see logic has left the building.
Let me try to bring it back.
A world and religion must have logic.
All that we know follows a logic trail to a root or beginning somewhere.
Humans are very good at furthering science, art, humanities and whatever else we chose to advance.
the concept of God was born in divers countries and nations all over the earth at various times with these places having no knowledge of each other. This indicates intelligent intervention.
Thus the search was born.
Prophets and shaman witch doctors and soothsayers did the rest.
For logic in their tale we have used old manuscripts printed hundreds of years after the death of all the living sources of information for these books. Some errors were evidently made but we still gleam much from these early writings.
Even if we work backwards today, we still find the logic trail for Biblical writings.
I assert that all the systems around us are logical and indeed Perfect. Coming from a Perfect God.
The world is doing very well. Certainly we can improve but all in all, the level of good is well up on evil. We are still going out and reproducing, filling the earth, doing exactly what God want's us to do.
From Genesis on up to Revelation the logic trail is visible.
From our glorious flight from the garden of ignorance to the great world of knowledge. To the time of the end when we recognize the need for world government and world religion and world peace.
Logic dictates that if the systems around us are Perfect, and they are, then it can be said that they came from Perfection because only Perfection can create Perfection. It must need follow then that there was a first Perfection and we humans have placed a name to this first Perfection and called it God.
We invented the word God not God Himself. We discovered Him.
Here is your irrefutable logic trail.
The only question left to answer is do we see the Perfections in the systems we see around us. Those who have eyes see.
Regards
DL

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Message 153 of 164 (380966)
01-29-2007 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by New Cat's Eye
01-29-2007 10:44 AM


Re: Logic
My ending remark was. "The only question left to answer is do we see the Perfections in the systems we see around us. Those who have eyes see".
With this I am suggesting that the various systems around us are Perfect and this Perfection must come from a Perfect source.
When I refer to systems I refer to the environmental system as a whole, the system of the universe and how it performs perfectly, our earth system that provides perfectly the needs that we have etc..
Regards
DL

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Message 156 of 164 (380991)
01-29-2007 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Woodsy
01-29-2007 2:37 PM


Re: Logic
I see the Perfection in our systems.
Show me where there is any flaw in any of our systems.
Then I can see if you are a thinker or an asker only.
Regards
DL

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Message 157 of 164 (380992)
01-29-2007 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by New Cat's Eye
01-29-2007 2:43 PM


Re: Logic
"I mean, there are system (by your definition) that are NOT perfect, but I will admit that some of them are. And this perfection might seem to suggest an intelligent designer, but not by necessity.".
All our systems are Perfect. I do not see any reference in any thing I said to indicate otherwise as you suggest. If so please lead me back to it and I will change it.
As to your other comments I can only offer you the same challenge of finding any flaws in our systems.
That would be the only thing that would kill the logic trail of Perfection creating Perfection. If as you say that some of our system are Perfect, you should be able to detect the flaws in the others.
Regards
DL

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Message 159 of 164 (380996)
01-29-2007 3:21 PM
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01-29-2007 3:14 PM


Re: Logic
Are you saying that it is more likely that they come from an imperfect source. Or by accident to all of our systems.
Regards
DL

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Message 164 of 164 (381123)
01-29-2007 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Woodsy
01-29-2007 5:44 PM


Re: Logic
I see Perfection in the system you describe.
All the components are following their nature completely. This is perfect for them, if you do not see that perfection, you will not likely perceive the larger one.
Regards
DL

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